How about a Sylphyo update now?

[eckolo]

Well, congratulations to your Anyma Phi 1.0 update. Really!
But now, finally got enough time and energy at your place to work on the long-desired Sylphyo update? ;-)

[join]

Hey great idea, I wonder why we didn't think of that! Thanks for the support anyway :).
If the Anyma is any indication, it takes some time to make updates. We know Sylphyo users have been waiting for a long time, but let's get real: since last time we've been testing a few new experimental things, we don't have enough new and tested material to release update ready just yet.
Are there specific things you're waiting for?

[Paul Flute]

@join How about the ability to send data on multiple midi channels?

[Friedus]

The last update was nearly 11 months before. I asked for one some months ago (nearly 5 months). Aodyo support said they were working on it. So What? I am looking for good internal sounds. I wonder if the update will last one year. I am not really satisfied. Greetings Friedus

[Peter Ostry]

@join said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

Are there specific things you're waiting for?

Bug/Check:

• Dynamic velocity works with legato playing but not with single notes.

• Key reaction time 0 requires octave reaction time 0 (should be independent).

• When we tilt the Sylphy down, "Compass" output goes haywire. There should be a fixed "Elevation" limit that switches the "Compass" output off when the Sylphyo is too low (please implement hysteresis for that).

Feature requests (with dependencies):

• MIDI Thru for the Link if it is doable via software.

• Possibility to block Program Change output.

• Add Pitchbend to output messages.

• Consolidate all MIDI control parameters/menus. Every menu should have None, Aftertouch, Pitchbend and CC numbers.

• Individual range options (0-127 scaled down, could be percentage) for Pitchbend, Aftertouch and (all) CCs.

• Individually selectable MIDI channels for Notes, Pitchbend, Aftertouch and (all) CCs.

Receiving/sending MIDI settings (with an editor or without) via SysEx/NRPN/CC requires a separate discussion.

[join]

Thanks for your feedback.
@Paul-Flute @Friedus Any details on your requests are appreciated.

[Clint]

@join I've been working with the Sylphyo almost exclusively for the last 3 months, and for me the stand-out feature I would love to see improved is Key Bend.

The issues are discussed in this post.

The primary items (for me) are:

• The range of the bending should happen according to the actual fingering setup. If opening a hole would raise pitch a semitone, the Key Bend range should be a semitone, If opening a hole would raise pitch a whole tone or a minor third, then the Key Bend should be a whole tone or a minor third.

• Key Bending needs to work with cross-fingerings. For example, Key Bend from <xxx|ooo to <xox|ooo currently does nothing.

• There should be a finger velocity sensitivity adjustment to filter out unwanted bending while normal playing.

Thanks for anything you could do in these areas!

[Gromit]

@join Perhaps Aodyo might help the folks creating the Photon mouthpiece project?
Could the Sylphyo's firmware be amended so that the the Photon could be connected into the Sylphyo's mini-USB socket?
Maybe the Photon's MIDI data stream could be merged into the Sylphyo's MIDI wireless data stream flowing over to the Sylphyo Link box?
USB power out of the Sylphyo's mini-USB to power the Photon would be good too?
Here's a YouTube video of an early prototype Photon mouthpiece being used with a Sylphyo. The sound is coming from the Respiro software synth.
Youtube Video

[reidid789]

Hi Gromit,
This photon - sylphyo couple has already been mentioned here. Photon is superb as well as the sylphyo too. And be able to play with the two devices without a stress of USB liner (all passing in radio signal) it would be the dream ... it seems that the two starts up do not wish to work together and at the technical level I know that the photon transmits enormously from data ... to them to tell us if he wishes Rudy and "join". In any case, I repeat, it would be the dream!
didig.bandcamp.com

[jfharrison]

@join said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

Are there specific things you're waiting for?

New Sylphyo player here...

I would love to see a desktop app that consolidates and allows us to change all configuration parameters in the Sylphyo. The tiny little LCD screen and the complex built-in menu system make it awkward and time-consuming to make many of the necessary tweaks and changes needed to make the most of the Sylphyo. We also need the ability to save a backup of all our personalized settings in the instrument.

It would also be great to allow us to pick sounds via the desktop app and not need to use the menu system on the Sylphyo instrument.

I would love to see higher quality "built-in" instrument sounds made available. Of the limited selection that come with the Sylpho few are what I would consider "ready for prime time" or sounds I would choose to use in performance. (SWAM and similar instruments are wonderful -- and extremely expensive, as are many other sampled or modeled instruments available as plug-ins.)

How about a series of step-by-step tutorials (with actual narration, not just overly loud music) on how to setup and use the Sylphyo with Kontakt Instruments, Vital Synth, Dune3 and other desktop software synths and plug-ins.

[Peter Ostry]

@join said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

Are there specific things you're waiting for?

Another feature request:

Adjustable tuning base.
We are curently bound to 440 Hz, at least I don't see a way to change that. This can cause problems when a Sylphyo plays with acoustic instruments.

[David Lazzi]

@join
1- I'd like to see an improvement on the key bend too.
2- I use the Sylphyo with just a speaker for musical awakening. So I use the built-in sounds and I would be happy to have new ones.
3- I'd like to change the diapason too, for more flexibility when I play with acoustic instruments.
3- I play arab music and micro-tonality would be good.
4- I was revived twice about the chalumeau fingering : could you tell me if I will be able to test what I wrote for you on a beta version?
Thanks

[David Lazzi]

@david-lazzi said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

@join
1- I'd like to see an improvement on the key bend too.
2- I use the Sylphyo with just a speaker for musical awakening. So I use the built-in sounds and I would be happy to have new ones.
3- I'd like to change the diapason too, for more flexibility when I play with acoustic instruments.
4- I play arab music and micro-tonality would be good.
5- I was revived twice about the chalumeau fingering : could you tell me if I will be able to test what I wrote for you on a beta version?
Thanks

Edit
On number 4- I'm not precise enough : I'd like an acoustic mico-tonality with special fingerings to reach a half b or an half # like on a recorder for example. But a "button" in the menu to transform all Eb fingerings in E half b for example, would be great too, the same way like on a keyboard.
I forgot a number 6- A place in the menu to save different personalized settings.

[Fanch35]

Interactive mouthpiece...
My best wishes.
And yes, I have readed all the posts... but... an interactive mouthpiece !!
At least as an Ewi mouthpiece.
And for the best, a Photon one !!!

[Friedus]

Ok. Yesterday was the 1st anniversary of the last update for the Sylphyo. I still feel a bit upset.

[Fanch35]

After an "interactive mouth piece", an other wish : export sound from AnymaPhi and import in Sylphyo...!!!!

[Fanch35]

And an another dream :
import some Respiro sounds in a user bank !!
What a Dream, isn't it ?

[StevieK]

@fanch35 imoxplus can‘t deliver photon because of a lack of chips.

[Fanch35]

Effectivement, mais imaginons un monde idéal, sans délai de livraison, tous composants disponibles, avec un Photon lumineux et une banque sylphyonesque personnelle Respiro ?

[Clint]

@fanch35 From what I understand, the Sylphyo does not have the processing power to do the kind of sound generation that Respiro achieves. I recall that Johnathan commented once (somewhat off the cuff) that a CPU with 10x the processing power would be needed ...

[asilight]

i think it is late but good

[jcfitn]

@peter-ostry said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

@join said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

Are there specific things you're waiting for?

Bug/Check:

• Dynamic velocity works with legato playing but not with single notes.

• Key reaction time 0 requires octave reaction time 0 (should be independent).

• When we tilt the Sylphy down, "Compass" output goes haywire. There should be a fixed "Elevation" limit that switches the "Compass" output off when the Sylphyo is too low (please implement hysteresis for that).

Feature requests (with dependencies):

• MIDI Thru for the Link if it is doable via software.

• Possibility to block Program Change output.

• Add Pitchbend to output messages.

• Consolidate all MIDI control parameters/menus. Every menu should have None, Aftertouch, Pitchbend and CC numbers.

• Individual range options (0-127 scaled down, could be percentage) for Pitchbend, Aftertouch and (all) CCs.

• Individually selectable MIDI channels for Notes, Pitchbend, Aftertouch and (all) CCs.

Receiving/sending MIDI settings (with an editor or without) via SysEx/NRPN/CC requires a separate discussion.

and:

• An option to limit the "roulis" absolute angle (like we can do in Elevation)

[Peter Ostry]

@jcfitn said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

An option to limit the "roulis" absolute angle (like we can do in Elevation)

My Sylphyo cannot set an angle range in absolute Elevation.
But you are right, setting a +/– range in absolute mode is important and I miss that. Best would be for all three: Roll, Elevation, Compass.

[jcfitn]

@peter-ostry sorry, is true, if you select the absolute option in elevation yo can not select the range parameter, but in elevation you send an CC all time if you are in the range.
I talk about send CCs with Roll even if you are not blowing, like in Elevation, but with a range.

I like to use Roll to chage the fine tune, but if is not in a smaller range is less interesting. And in absolute with 360º of range is not sensitive enough.

[Peter Ostry]

@jcfitn said in How about a Sylphyo update now?:

I like to use Roll to chage the fine tune, but if is not in a smaller range is less interesting. And in absolute with 360º of range is not sensitive enough.

Yes. Similar problem here:

I like to map Roll CC to Pitchbend (unfortunately not directly available in the Sylphyo yet). In normal mode there is a hysteresis in the neutral position, a kind of "platform", where values do not change. This is basically good, but you cannot pitch smoothly across the neutral position. Absolute mode would be the method of choice, but here your Roll range is 90° left/right, which is hardly playable.

One could say "scale the absolute Roll CC to the range you want", but not everyone in every setup can process 14Bit pitchbend coming from the Sylphyo. If you are bound to 7Bit pitchbend, you would upscale less than a quarter of the 0-127 full range and this leads to audible steps.

I think high-resolution sensor output should be scaled in the instrument, while full sensor data are available, not after MIDI translation.