@Gromit
Yes, it is spring-loaded and bi-directional. I don't remember exactly, but I think there is a small potentiometer underneath, but quite precise. And yes it is mostly used for pitchbend.

On the Sylphyo I would use it for Pitchbend and ModWheel because the rear touch surface is almost unusable for me, practically out of reach, and I never know where my finger is until I hear it.

@NS-D
I suggest you start with the fingering you are most familiar with, in this case saxophone. If you need it differently, e.g. for fast or comfortable #/b changes, you can try other fingerings or settings.

Except for simple flutes, no fingering matches the original instrument exactly anyway, because the Sylphyo has no additional flaps.

Hi @frank,

I have Akai EWI USB and re.corder.

Last night I decided that I need to learn how to build a "bank" from scratch.

From what I have gathered, Mark Steiner is said to be working on a sound collection for Anyma Phi, which he would subsequently offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEJIcxIUNiU

welcome!!

i came from the wx es as wel ; via akai , but hate the bite.

ecept for 26 i do not use internal sounds, use a Hydra and a anyma phi

frank

it is a shame people do not all speak just dutch

--
dutch deutsch, diets means ; their mother tongue

@ark

i have seven octaves
play the highest octave, release thumb , add an octave at the top

same at the bottom
play the lowest octave , release thumb, and it goes down one octave

there are quite some alternate fingerings
take care if one changes , one has to execise a lot to master them.

i do not combine different wind controllers. just the sylphio

need to sell the other ones ...

frank

This is just an undocumented behavior we apply to the soundset list.
Each time you reach the top of the list you get back to the first one.

@Clint
Thank you for your reply.
Unfortunately google translate doesn't always do the job, but for me "enriching" meant adding a preset or two.
Have a good day

@ark said in Why can’t Note-off Delay be Zero?:

should be treated as a bug

Thanks @ark! I know understand the legato protocol better ... but I'd really hate to add a physical box to my rig and introduce latency just for this bug ...

Not sure if a bug fix at that low level is a possibility these day ... been quite a while since the last official firmware update ...

I have been working for several weeks now with some samples of a porous, hydrophilic material sent to me by flutemaker Edward Kort. They are custom cut from a 1/4" thick sheet with 10 micron pores supplied by Scientific Commodities (Cat #BB2062-10BL) that can be found on this page: https://scicominc.com/porous-plastics/porous-sheets/. Photos are shown in the earlier message in this thread.

My experience so far has be very positive. The material is easy to insert and remove from the standard Sylphyo mouthpiece. It does not cause a noticeable change in playing characteristics. The insert absorbs a substantial amount of moisture holds it, and dries out when removed (I typically dry it overnight).

The inside of my Sylphyo has gone from “large moisture droplets on the inside walls of the Sylphyo which coalesce and drip out the bottom” without the hydrophilic inserts to “light dew / haze on the inside walls” with the insert.

I am still on the road so can’t do a more detailed study (like weighing the insert before-and-after to determine the amount of moisture absorbed).

One concern is how oil (e.g. from handling the insert with fingers) might affect the long-term performance of the insert. There is apparently no remedy for hydrophilic material that gets clogged with oil. I am hoping that with reasonably careful handling (by the edges and just the area at the distal end of the insert), an insert might last a year or more. Edward Kort’s philosophy is (personal email) “make a pile and replace as necessary. It’s easy to check the condition of an insert: hold it to your lips and blow. If you can’t move any air, trash the insert.”

I was also concerned about possible shedding of fibers. Edward Kort’s feeling is that “I’ve never seen any fiber shedding; this would be a very bad characteristic in an industrial filter material. That said, the cut edges are feathery – probably due to the nature of the pore structure. With my NAF application (with the insert in the bird), I want the flue-exit end to be very smooth. I accomplish this by masking the surface of the plastic and apply CA glue just to the end. This end can then be smoothed and shaped. Works great, but it is an effort to implement. For the Sylphyo application, I don’t see any reason to seal the ends.”

He has also tried several variations:

I use two formulations of the plastic: the 10-micron pore style that I sent you, and a 30 micron pore size. The 30-micron product is much harder than the 10. It is not spongy at all and seems a bit more durable. However, it must be sawed rather than cut, and it contracts a bit when wet. This requires me to glue the insert into the bird channel, whereas the 10-micron product can just be press fit.

When I get back home (4 months on the road so far – great experience and somewhat exhausting. Just did a concert last night …) I hope to delve more into these inserts …

Hi @drfritzon
I didn't fix it myself. I didn't have the courage to open the anima phi.

I sent it to the guys at Adiyo who sent it back to me fixed. Unfortunately, they didn't describe exactly what the problem was.

I haven't had this problem since. I just got a whistling sound that disappeared again. Otherwise I am satisfied.
Anyma Phi SE from kickstarter campaign should come to me, so I'm looking forward to it.

@Peter-Ostry Sound great!

Thank you Clint

We are waiting. And waiting , and... In just some weeks it will be 2 Years since the last Sylphyo update (30 march 2021).

@mbang If it happens again, try opening up the synth and look for any PCB plates that may have become loose and push them (gently) back down again.
I had the exact same issue as you and this just fixed my instrument not ten minutes ago.

Hello Teknico

Interesting feedback. Thank you.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Anyma Phi being monophonic connecting MPE controllers to play it is not necessary the first use case.

The USB MIDI Host is meant to allow the connexion of MIDI Class compliant device but it seems that this "standard" is still subject to various interpretation among MIDI controller manufacturer.

What we tested on our side among MPE device though are 2 of the one you listed:

ROLI Seaboard Rise and Seaboard Block are working with the Anyma Phi Haken Continuumini was also tested but with the result you described with this "not enough power" message on the Continuumini although the power provided should be enough. We made a few attempts to check this was a USB software protocol trick (by rising the available power message) but with no success so far. We do not have any Linnstrument in our workshop yet so we couldn't make any test on this one. We weren't aware of the various speed available on this one. (This could make it a valuable test unit for our tests with the Omega). USB Hub is not really something we expect to work as the device is intended to manage one controller device.

One thing to keep in mind is that the main target of this USB MIDI Host port is to allow the use of the Anyma Phi with a controller which does not feature any DIN connector, so the expected MIDI speed is currently the standard MIDI speed.

The Anyma Omega will be done using a new generation board so there will be much more ressources available to manage a higher speed MIDI (and the merge and routing of MIDI coming from the various MIDI port: USB device, USB Host, DIN MIDI In ... and the "internal" command coming from the keyboard and ribbons, the CV/Gate signal etc.).
This is part of the necessary spec for the MPE compatibility of the Omega.
Once this would be done, we could then check what could be transferred back from the Omega to the Phi.

@wwoodard8 I am a flute player. The breath support is far easier on the Sylphyo. You can set the breath control to how you like it. Unless you have serious health/lung problems, I do not see any problems with breath support, it is minimal on the Sylphyo, and no special exercises are needed.... Do you own one or are you thinking of buying one? I recommend the breath adjustment kit, which gives you three options of plug sizes for the bottom end of the instrument.
I use the middle size one....cost 20 Euros... or you can make your own improvised plug... thanks

I have to buy everything.
I want this garage!

@ahiotis Hi

The connection which takes the power from the Host, the computer, also transfers the data, So id you connect from the small usb connector to the Mac, your conection will work, and midi data will be transferred,

I Think Sylbench is only meant to check your setting of the CC in the Sylphio, least how i Use it.

The host connector is intended to connect a USB device, like a keyboard. Never used that.

Regards

Frank

sorry i did not see your question before

R1 is closer to an EWI than to the Sylphyo.
Sylphyo has an unique way to manage air flow that I really appreciate..
And it's why I'm selling my aerophone ae30 (one of the reasons..).

@Clint Hi

I have been to busy

will try both

I play live only, but Iam not aware o cantabile, and i do not use computers life. But I think Sylpio can avoid sending CC 2,
delaying note off sounded good to me. thanking next note on would kill the note begor the auto note off would occur. will check.

and report here :

Thanks for the message

Regards

Frank

I really like the samson graphite 49. I use it currently with a modal synth, but Im curious how it would work with phi, I suspect very well because for the value it has pressure aftertouch, 2 banks of 8 sliders and one for volume, 16 function buttons, and two banks of 8 knobs, along with 4 percussion pads you maybe could route the piezo to [?].

Odd that Ive had my phi some months and havent tried using my graphite for it yet. Reason being id have to re-assign some of my midi cc most likely, and I kind of am 'used' to what I have it set up with.

Korg's nanokey studio however, I do also have, though its a bit small and only has velocity sensitivity and no aftertouch, it has 8 knobs, 8 pads an arpeggiator and an xy pad also. I think what I will try soon is connecting with this one.

I believe Aodyo made a youtube video featuring the phi, and the nanokey studio, although it was not too in depth it did show functionality of the knobs with some of the sound manipulations in the one shown.

Besides the graphite 49 I also have a beatstep pro, that actually could be a fun idea also.

@Paul-Flute
I am in the same case as you and your message is good!
And I find the video funny.

@Peter-Ostry It looks like Imoxplus have already designed an adapter for the Sylphyo, for a later version of the Photon prototype. Version 2 (or maybe 3 or later?).
Pedro Eustache shows the Photon v2 on his Sylphyo in the YouTube video, linked below.
Youtube Video – [16:41..]

I just got a new Anyma Phi and tried updating today. I followed the instructions for updating via pc (not mac), but the Anyma Phi did not provide the "UPDATE DONE" message as the instructions indicated it would. Instead, I get the message to connect a USB cable and drop the update in the disk--which I've already done. I didn't get an error message.

Now the Anyma Phi won't even boot up -- I just get a blank screen with a white Patch LED light. I've tried several more times, but with the same result.

Anything you can do to help me get the device working again would be greatly appreciated.

@blipson FWIW, I have a Kenton MIDI USB Host Mk II, which lets me control the Aerophone AE-10 from a MIDI keyboard - not something I've wanted to do, but I tried it a while ago and that worked. I used a Yamaha CBX-K1, which has DIN MIDI Out and no USB.

It appears that these issues I am having are related to moisture infiltrating the electronics portion of the instrument. These are (I believe) due to several issues:

I have been storing the Sylphyo horizontally overnight. Not good. I am on the road and horizontal is easier for me, but I think bad for the Sylphyo. There is a recommendation by Aodyo for vertical storage (not in the general documentation, but mention by Maxence here: https://community.aodyo.com/topic/663/a-gentle-breeze/6)

There may be a moisture path because the active mouthpiece port on my Sylphyo is not completely sealed. See https://community.aodyo.com/topic/2158/under-the-blue-ring

I have fixed the first problem and the behavior is improving.

It really looks like a hack.
I get through the recovery process and temporary put the site offline to let us find and clean the infected files on the website.

@Clint Since it is very boring to read all that spam messages and to block various spammers I will not visit Aodyo Community any longer.

@Peter-Ostry Dang, I did something wrong, I have to test it again. Thanks for your answer.

It is true, Clint, that when we suggest something in development, I do not measure the amount of work that this represents for for example Aodyo.
By cons I measure very well the work that the creation of Anyma Phy or Omega represents. And I deduce that Aodyo now privileges the creation of Synthe rather than the development of Sylphyo.
I reopen the debate but what interests me is that the Sylphyo becomes better rather than buying another synth ...

@wwoodard8 said in Double note:

I'll try the velocity as 1. (BTW, why 1?

We would like to set 0 but this gets interpreted as note-off.
Velocity 1 is the least evil.

@wwoodard8 said in Double note:

My assumption is that synths built especially for wind synths will just totally ignore velocity

Well, the synth needs the start of the note and that comes with velocity greater than zero. And it needs the end of the note. However, synths made for windcontrollers should not make sound with velocity 1 while most other synths do. Actually a dedicated wind synth should not sound without the "sound event" it is prepared for (i.e. CC2). But since we seldom know what a synth exactly does internally, we set the velocity as low as possible.

Working with CC2 should be the default setting for a dedicated wind synth, but this can usually be changed to another CC number or Channel Pressure, just to be usable with different input devices and settings.

@ForeverTangent said in Meet Anyma Omega!:

@doul

I am thinking about backing the Anyma Omega on Kickstarter, but I am curious about the Additive Oscillator module.

Can you tell me more about the general design of the Additive Oscillator. Specifically:

How many partials does one oscillator support?

Does it allow ADSR over each partial?

Can each partial be tuned in terms of ratio/frequency/phase?

Can a waveform (sample) be resynthesized by the oscillator?

There are not many synths that have a really robust Additive Synthesis support, and I am trying to learn more about Aodyo's approach to the their take before I commit to supporting the project.

Thanks.

Stan

Hello Stan

This is definetly not the purpose of the Anyma Omega to become an additive synthesizer. The additive OSC are simple one with one partial with detune and bandwidth setting. Other like Organ Osc can mimic simple additive synthesis as do organs. The purpose of such OSc in the Anyma context is more to have various tone source to feed the resonators.

No resynthesis on board.

I use cheap contact mics from Korg, the clip mics used for tuners and it works great.

@Clint Haha!

@Paul-Flute
I don't expect them to put in a mechanical button, even if we would prefer that. But what you describe can be solved with software. For example, tap twice or hold your finger on it longer. They would have to discuss that with the players who are affected. I myself have never accidentally touched the button.

@doul It doesn't seem to be Sylphyo V.3. :-).

I will wait up this new instrument. If it is not a new Sylphyo, I will probably say goodbye to Sylphyo (and Aodyo). Too many problems with the Sylphyo.

Hello to all,

I would like to take the opportunity to take part in this discussion, which is an important subject.

I would like to thank everyone for their trust in Aodyo.

@Paul-Flute, I am sorry that you had to pay for customs to release your package.
We work with DHL for returns and have done so for a long time.
When we send back material after repair, it is specified so that the recipient does not have to pay anything.
Unfortunately, if the customs authorities still decide to charge a fee, and we are not notified, we cannot intervene.
And even less can we decide for them.
We have already had to pay customs ourselves, even though we are the manufacturer.

As far as insurance is concerned, here again it is the carrier who sets the price. We advise you to opt for insurance because unfortunately there have already been cases of lost packages.

For all our shipments of instruments that we have sold or that we are sending back after repair, we take out insurance.

As for the repair time, it is important to know that as long as we do not have the instrument in our hands and in a position to identify a problem, if it is not systematic, it is difficult to decide on the solution to be applied.
Hence the importance of the descriptions made.

Finally, there is always a shortage of electronic components and we are the first victims because this generates delays in production and repair.
However, we do our best to repair and return the product as quickly as possible.

Thanks again to all of you for your trust.
We remain available for you at support@aodyo.com if you have any other questions.

Best regards.

Matthias.

@Paul-Flute said in Music example: Sylphyo in a cave:

@Peter-Ostry The link appears to not work?

Ah, maybe because of security restrictions. It’s HTTP, not HTTPS.
You can copy/paste the link to your browser.

Or, if you prefer that, I’ve put it on SoundCloud:
Sylphyo in Hang Son Dong (Section, on SoundCloud)

@Laurent_AODYO Merci Laurent pour cette réponse claire et compréhensible...

@Paul-Flute Cool! Modifying the Sylphyo is a lot of fun :)

This just points out one of the fantastic benefits of breath synth instruments.

With acoustic flutes the holes have to be in a very specific position, therefore your fingers have to conform to the dictates of physics.

With a breath synth instrument however, you can put the sensors for the finger anywhere you want, in any configuration. You can make the instrument conform to your fingers' best natural positions, making articulating over the instrument much easier. (Copper tape helps in this!)

@bibenu Thanks a lot, I'm going to try tomorrow...let's hope..Thans , it's very kind. Warm hello from Parma.

@Gromit I have compared "Electro Fuse" with the possibilities of Helix Native to set up a guitar-like sound. There are much more alternatives in the Helix-Plugin and the sound is much more "guitarish" than Electro Fuse.

@reidid789
They probably have a backup somewhere with the best entries from Asia.