@join re "expected behaviour" yes, I can totally understand how it came about, but as you say, it's not ideal ... particularly with the change in the mapping which is away on another 'screen' you're not looking at. It's a completely unexpected change in the scenario I outlined. I thought that first note in the chord was not being detected and I started messing with keyboard connections, before I discovered the real cause.

You will hear the selected internal sounds of the Sylphyo. If you want to hear sounds from the DAW, connect headphones to your device on which the DAW is running. See Midi Routing in the User Manual. See also "Rig Schematics" here on the forum.

@steviek .....and in different keys (but only 12, not 16 :-))

Perhaps the Direct Laser Interference Patterning (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0VP3uAVDa8) could be interesting.

@join I see it (just upgraded). Thank you :)

New Sylphyo user (Sylphist?), old and very rusty clarinetist here. I like this proposal a lot. Esp. the alternate for low C/C#.

@laurent_aodyo said in Low volume on Sylphyo link headphone jack:

Phones output rather than in the LineOut output

So the LineOut output seems to operate around -19 to -14 dBV (see this Related Post).

Could anyone say what the levels are on the Phone port?

Thanks @peter-ostry ... good to know it's on my end ... it's driving me crazzzy ...

@support_aodyo Can you provide the impedances on the input and output audio channels?

Just released the Chill Nite album from this concert – free for streaming and download at ClintGoss.Bandcamp.com.

I played the first five tracks live over a sparse nature soundscape. I played the last three tracks live, supported by the recorded music of my mentor, David Darling, pianist Alexander Nakarada, and the drone sounds of a particular species of “drumming fish”.

Virtual versions of real-world instruments include Native American flutes, clarinet, oboe, cello, mandolin, tubular bells, chimes, Armenian duduk, bansuri, and silver flute. I also played virtual-only instruments: Heaven Bells, Respiro (Desert Wind), EVI-NER, Marble, and Matt Traum’s IndiaFlute and Beauty.

YouTube sampler video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71RUnNvvTIQ

Full album can be streamed and downloaded at no cost: https://ClintGoss.Bandcamp.com/

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@tsukaï-ban Comme l'a dit @bibenu, une recalibration pourrait améliorer les choses. D'ailleurs, si vous pouviez noter les valeurs qui étaient présentes dans l'écran de calibration, ça me serait bien utile ! Merci.

@support_aodyo yes, the pearl edition really looks cool...It has that kind of a 'classic instrument' touch.
But I wonder if there might be any drawbacks compared to the standard model? According to the manual the keybend feature seems to be not yet introduced for the pearl edition. And as there seem to be cutouts in the housing for the pearl pads what about dust and liquids entering the housing?

@peter-ostry said in Spam - junk on the forum:

set new users to moderated or whatever the forum software supports.

Or require manual approval for every new person to join, if possible. That has to be less work than manually dealing with all the spam.

If a note Off is delayed, then there is a moment that two notes are ON. This might cause a mini legato / glide in Respiro.

If the Respiro note transition is set to Synth mode then you will have less pops versus when you use the Real mode.

I would need to dig into the Sylphyo to understand the way it deals with key glitches. But typically when using certain fingering transitions, glitches can occurs due to the changing keystroke (not all fingers in sync). I think this is why the Key / Reaction time parameter exist. Typically keystrokes less than 20ms are glitches. Therefore setting this value to 1ms will probably not filter glitches keystrokes and provide a more snappy response to your fingering BUT it demands that you master your fingering technique...Respiro is responding super fast to note changes and a glitch note during playing can result in a create a pop.

With other words, if you set the reaction time to 1ms, then I would advice Respiro in Synth Mode and increase the value till pops are gone...

Hope this helps ;-)

This is a piece of pleasant music. Nice collab. All the tracks in this album are superb.

@jdickerson

Result 👍. Good for you 😁

Hello Clint,

No we wouldn't be at the Musikmesse Frankfurt 2022.

The last edition of the Musikmesse we took part were quite disappointing and we decided to get to the SuperBooth in Berlin in September 2021 instead.

Such shows are still complicated in the current pandemic context.

Yeah, these are good solutions too. Many times during design I've pondered whether to do solution 2, but I wouldn't because it is sort of complicated to pull off right… but now that we're seeing that mitigating the downsides of the simplest way (sequential evaluation) could be complicated too, maybe it's worth a shot after all.
I'll think about it. Don't hesitate to shoot ideas, I won't hesitate to steal them :).

edit: Evaluating mappings in the reverse order could maybe also work with minimal effort. For modulators, an evaluation in the correct order is better, but there will be cases where you want to add something in the middle of a series of transformations, and the problem will show up again.

@join This is super excellent news !!! Day long LFOs... I've been wanting these since my 1st day with this gear... MIDI CC matrix control !!!! So great !
Well... Looking forward to the beta... of 2.0 !!!

Thanks so much !

@join
Thank you so much for the feedback. I am new to this kind of analysis / testing, but I really want to understand how this all works to get the best control over my sound ...

Settings are provided below. Key settings I guess are:

** MIDI Mapping Breath rate: Low (125 Hz) -- Based on the XpressO and Ingo's advice Velocity: Dynamic Capture delay: 20ms ** Keys Reaction time: 20ms

Breath rate is Low / 125Hz because of the XpressO, which was choking (for a while, at least) on Medium and above.

Velocity = Dynamic because many of the VSTs I use depend on that. My VL70-m is fantastic, but I currently have a (very) hybrid rig (still in the expansion / exploration phase with my rig).

Key Feature would be a way to re-configure the Sylphyo via MIDI program changes. I could then switch settings when switching sound rendering modules or VSTs. Without that, I am really stuck with the "least common denominator" across all my sound rendering tools.

I am not sure what your term "key debounce time" is ... is it Keys / Reaction time?

I will use 15 - Cheap Tunes in the future for testing ... (that sounds the most immediate to me of the choices you suggested).

Thanks again!!

@peter-ostry

I never considered that the sound triggering mechanism might be other than MIDI. But, of course, analog synths use CV and that's a whole 'nother world ... would love to understand how this actually works on the Sylphyo!

All the settings I used for latency tests:

Clint's Configuration Settings for the Aodyo Sylphyo Firmware version: 1.4.8 As of 11/27/2021 * Sound Volume: 100% Reverb: 70% * MIDI Mapping Breath: CC 2 ...and --- ...and --- Breath rate: Low (125 Hz) -- Based on the XpressO and Ingo's advice ...per CC: On Delay notes if needed: On Velocity: Dynamic Capture delay: 20ms Max. velocity: 127 Slider ctrl. CC 1 Top slider ctrl. CC 12 Btm. slider ctrl. CC 13 Elevation ctrl. CC 75 Roll ctrl. CC 76 Compass ctrl. CC 77 Key-bend ctrl. CC 78 Program change > Send Bank Off Bank (MSB) --- Bank (LSB) --- Note-off delay 10ms * Breath Minimum: 20 Range: 600 Curve: Log Filtering: On * Keys Fingering: NativeFlute+ Octaves: 5(+2) octaves Invert ocatves: Disabled Left pinky: -1st: Disabled Right pinky: +1st: Disabled Replay same note: Disabled Reaction time: 20ms R.time octaves: 20ms (If [Reaction time] is 0ms, then this must be 0ms) More sensitive: Enabled Key-bend (BETA): PB+ Key noise (BETA): Disabled * Slider Function: Ctrl (latch) Top edge: Bend - Btm. edge: Ctrl. Edge size: 9mm * Movement Shake to move: On Shake vibrato: On Range: 20% Sensitivity: 43% Threshold: 9% Elevation control: On Bidirectional: Off Absolute: Off Range: +-35 degrees Roll control: On Bidirectional: On Absolute: Off Range: +-20 degrees Compass ctrl. (BETA): On Absolute: Off Bidirectional: Off Range: +-20 degrees Always on: Off ---- * Base Key: A3 * Output: MIDI ch. 1 ---- * Invert Display: Off * Receiver device: Connected CH 23 * LED: Off

Not quite a rig schematic, but a rigging schematic, somehow :-)

This is the first part of my Sylphyo interface to play with software instruments.

Originally I wanted it in Logic or Mainstage or another DAW I own, but the basically simple task went more complicated than I had expected. So I decided to make my own Sylphyo DAW in Max and enjoy the graphical possibilities.

Screenshot overview:

Top left, Sylphyo MIDI comes in through moving faders and is routed by a 12x12 matrix. Horizontal top is incoming, vertical right matrix border is outgoing. Each matrix output can be scaled, slowed down (Glide) and can have a curve applied. The right side of the screenshot is the graphical live display and shows all used Sylphyo messages after processing. Breath is the filled circle, blue background is Elevation, the two lines are Roll and Compass.

The screenshot tells that the Sylphyo is blown with medium force (thin outer circle is maximum). The instrument is held down and slightly rolled to the left with a bit of left Compass. The played note is a G4 with velocity 115. All other values are also shown in several colored faders.

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Have not played much yet, but it seems to work well. Not many refinements needed, just a little technical elegance is missing (you have to look at the backside of the screenshot to see that).

Click on the image to show it in original size.
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Next part to do are connections and mappings to a handful of virtual instruments.

@join In case you want to fix this:
Breath sends values 0-126 (not 127)

Still waiting and hoping for new stuff. Greetings from the cold rhineland. Friedus

@join said in aux-in @Sylphyo for practicing with play-along? friday night funkin:

There is no audio input directly on the Sylphyo, nor Bluetooth connectivity (primarily for latency reasons), but there are a few things I can recommend you, having been doing this myself when practicing with iReal Pro and the Amazing Slow Downer.

You can play the backing track on the iPhone speakers or on Bluetooth speakers, and get an inexpensive battery-powered speaker with AUX input only (a bit hard to find, but generally all Bluetooth speakers tend to have outrageously high latency even with the AUX input).

But when I want to practice at the local park, I use a headset cable splitter, which has a male TRRS connector and a headphone and a mic female connectors at the other end.
With this, I plug:

the TRRS end into your iPhone, your headphones or speakers into the headphone port of the splitter, and a minijack cable connected to your Sylphyo into the mic port of the splitter.

Then, I use the Audiobus 2 app on my iPhone to monitor the mic input, so that I can hear the Sylphyo on the headphones, in addition to whatever play-along app I use.

It's not as straightforward as having a direct AUX input on the Sylphyo (which we might consider for a future version), but in practice its no big deal.
I always have my cables and headphones ready to use in my backpack, so I just have to plug the thing to my iPhone and Sylphyo, open Audiobus and my play-along with a few taps, and I'm good for hours of being the weird guy having fun blowing into a silent thing in the middle of the park :).

Thanks for your answer. It helped me a lot.

@join Thanks again :)

@david-lazzi said in Cleaning Swab for Sylphyo:

@gromit I use the piccolo swab from BG -> https://www.bgfranckbichon.com/fr/ecouvillon/81-corps-de-l-instrument-microfibre-a39.html

I bought one of the Hodge Silk Oboe Swabs suggested by Clint, from Amazon USA. So far that has worked fine for me but your suggestion of the piccolo swab from BG is useful too.

@join Excellent description ... thank you so much!

I now see how the routing diagram from the Link manual works ... it was not clear to me at first.

I have done my own version, so I don't have to figure it out all over again in the future:

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I hope it's correct ...

@join Thank you :)

More generally, is there a list of compatible mini keyboards anywhere on the Anyma site? I cannot find one.

On the assumption that the MPK isn't going to be able to be supported anytime soon, I would like to get an inexpensive one, but fear buying another brand that won't communicate with the synth – as there seem to be many that don't work at the moment.

@bengersfood I have just seen a message from August which lists the MPK3 as one of rather a large list of small keyboards that don't work. That is a shame. I hope it can be improved

@support_aodyo
Merci de votre réponse qui m'a permis de me relier au Phantom sans problème.

@simonbou It might be possible to do as you suggest but not really simple... Simply a much wider range for LFOs would be great and should not be a problem to implement...

@origami23 I didn't noticed something that strong but I agree it's slightly unstable in the timing.

Also something that would be great is to be able to have all the values for the pitch. I tried to set up on 5st but it's impossible. It jump from 4.9 to 5.1st. And it the case of complexes harmonics ratios, frequencies are beating in each others a lot... Would it be possible to have every single float values (by steps of 0.1)? I also tried to modify it on the synth and in the Editor and it just seems to jump from odd value to the next odd value (0.1 > 0.3 > 0.5 > 0.7 > 0.9 etc).

@peter-ostry
Thanks : your advices will be very usefull. looking at the warbl default fingering i realize that i will need to invent a new fingering to get # and b notes and this is not easy ... and may be sylphyo offers more possibility on that. Probably there is already a best choice which has been adopted by most other recorder players...(?)

@exiannyc I'd like this feature too.

The motivation is different in my case. I'd like to do sound design with the Anyma Phi as a standalone device, no keyboard (in whatever location I want, sofa, park), then when I'm done, connect a keyboard.

You can kind of hack round this using the piezo with envelope follower rise and fall as ADSR type controls, but that's not really the same thing.

LINK: conversation on Elektronauts

@peter-ostry The functionality of the latest Roland Aerophone AE-30 with its editor seems very impressive... But then it is 3 times the price of the Sylphyo...

merci beaucoup pour le renseignement

@jan It's possible that the update did not complete. Can you try with a different computer, connected directly to the computer? Let me know!

@andyhornblower Thanks for your suggestion.
The issue with that, is that we designed the physical model to play well in a certain range. And while we could feasibly extend it a few semitones lower, it becomes a slippery slope, as we need to rework the physical model to include lower tones, which then prompts people to ask why we can't go even lower, etc.

I hope this makes sense, we will consider your request as much as we are able but can't promise anything to that end. Let me know if you have any further questions.

@jimhanks Very nice and relaxing! Thank you for sharing

@jay-ayliff There are two ways to play the middle C in the recorder mode (assuming you are in base key of C), first with the index finger of the left hand (OxooOooo_), and second with the middle finger of left hand and the octave thumb (XxooOooo_). If your thumb is incorrectly pressing the octave key you might be accidentally playing a C instead of a B?