I started with 2 Casio horns and I used to love the Flute fingering which has D,E,F, and G above High C just by lifting your first finger and playing the higher note without having to touch the octave key. I read in the manual these fingerings are the same on the Sylphyo. I Love the aerophone 10G for natural sounds and the Solo for the syn sounds and the rollers make the lower octave sounds great. The aerophone was clinky because the side of my hands near the index fingers used to always touch and squeak. I have large piano player hands so people should be aware this can happen if you have smaller hands and that's why they changed it on the next smaller model. I needed the 2 speakers so I used my dremel to cut off the tops of 6 side keys, Top 3 side keys on each side cut off half way and the problems are over and you still have All the keys the EWI Solo does??? Now I can really get around those Classical midi pieces and I don,t plan on selling it. The first three days I got the EWI Solo I felt like sending it back because its so different from the Roland but day after day I began to love it, especially for the lower octaves and the Syn sounds. I'm sure the Sylphyo will take some getting used to but Its gonna be my 3rd and last wind controller?

@Chris I think in this case as agreed over e-mail, it is best to send this unit back to Bax for a return.

For information this was a B-stock Sylphyo that clearly had issues before Chris got it.

Sorry for the disappointment Chris and let me know if there is anything I can help with.

Maxence
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Thank you for the rapid answer!

It's nice to know it is on the roadmap. I understand that it's difficult to predict when it can be implemented and tested, so I'll be waiting patiently, I can understand also that it's not your main priority.

For the drone, I should have thought of that. I am going to try (so, if I understand correctly, I play a note over MIDI, then send the CC1, and that note will be selected? ‑ anyway, I'll try and find out how to make it work). Thanks for the tip! I'll report my findings for the forum (probably will be only in a few days).

All great options! ;) We are also working on a plug system with different sizes allowing for various breath responses. We will of course announce it when we are ready to ship!

Thanks for getting that into the update, this makes the Sylphyo significantly more useful for me.

@palsyl Hello and thanks for your question! The Flute Phi sound is a physical model of a flute, so is designed to sound quite similar to an acoustic flute, including the breath noise.

I will pass along your request and see what we can do.

Maxence
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@fluterer Hello, no you are correct the Flute Phi does not (yet!) respond to pitch bend as that had some unforeseen side effects on the sound. We are still working on that and it is part of the growing process for our new Physical Modelling sound engine.

Let me know if I can be of any more help!

Maxence
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Hi Badblock

I have used similar placeholders : like email adres : write frank =writef , domain name stdio> My nephew copied the habit as well.

If you ant to get rid of badblocks management: switch to ZFS , it is a dream come true. Too bad the team was bought by Oracle, but they all ran away and ZFS is and stays open source.

What is your usage of the Sylphio? I am originally a sax player (Tenor Soprano, two completely different beasts. Needs separate training to play both well. I played load because that was necessary at the times, which meant playing at home was nearly impossible. I had spare time: so i bought a synth (Yamaha SY99) and because you cannot have expression with a keyboard added a windcontroller. Found a had a huge new range of sounds. So WXX and kurzweil were a team for many years.

Exchanged the Kurzwejl for laptop with virtual instruments. Setup times and the continious fight for low latency made me switch to this new wonder :The Hydrasynth. A true very versatile wonder in a compact case.

I changed the fingering on the Syl to non sax : left pinky half tone up, right pinky half tone down. Works very well on legato play, but needs exercise, sometimes my mind changes back to original sax, more scales i than think.

Good luck with you tube case, and happy blowing !

Frank
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Thanks for the info I'll pass this along to the dev team and we will see what we can do.

Maxence
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@mwebster Hello! Thanks for your questions.

Here is how I've set mine up: For the slide you can turn on the keybend on the Sylphyo (which will act like a pitch bend + and set it in SWAM software to your desired bend effect (I find that + and - 3 works well for what I like, but you might want more or less). You can also set the keybend in Sylphyo to send out a midi CC message which can then be mapped to any parameter you want in SWAM, but for my purposes I've found that leaving it on pitch bend works well.

For the mute, I use the slider to control which mute is engaged and the roll movement to control the position of th mute. This works well and is quite natural (at least when looking at the screen to determine the roll and the mute position).

Let me know if this is helpful for you! I'm working also on a little demo of SWAM with Sylphyo.

Maxence
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Thanks Troy this is very useful! :)

@DominicB Ya I thought the same! I've played Macguffin myself so many times and thought I would have noticed something by now... Sylphyo is full of surprises :)

@Support_AODYO thanks very much!

Adding to the list:
Trumpet/trombone phi
Brass section phi
electric guitar phi

Nicolas,

If this were a traditional woodwind, I'd say get a high school band book and learn from there because it will teach you the fingerings. You can probably do that for some Sylphyo fingering patterns, but I think there are enough differences you may get frustrated.

There is a series of method books for clarinet called the Lazarus Method. That's one option. Just use the fingering chart of your choice from the Sylphyo manual and work your way through the book. It's full of easy and challenging exercises and classical/opera pieces that, although intened for clarinet, aren't really instrument specific for the most part. Just bear in mind the book is intended for a Bb instrument, so you might want to set the sylphyo to transpose. That said, you probably have never heard any of the pieces in the method, so playing in any key probably doesn't make much difference.

the method is a series of three substantial books, and you probably don't need any but the first, but thre are a lot of fun pieces in books 2 and 3.

Great job

@Daniel57 Super vidéo ! Merci Daniel :)

@Friedus We've tried a number of methods with varying degrees of success... Right now the best way is to delete them manually. While this is not ideal, we think it is better than having to manually review each post before allowing them to be posted.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any better ideas.

Maxence
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@mathw Sorry for the late reply I can confirm the headphone jack on both the Sylphyo and the Link are stereo! Let me know if you have more questions.

Maxence
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Is this the forum you meant to ask this on?

But two things:

you're trying to use the output audio before you've closed the write handle so maybe the file isn't fully written yet

you run "start output.mp3" but will that find "/tmp/output.mp3" which is what you wrote? I suspect the working directory is not currently /tmp. So try "start /tmp/output.mp3" as well?

Or find a Python library which plays MP3s and use that.

And definitely check that the output.mp3 does get written and can be played with a normal MP3 player.

Je n'ai pas été convaincu par l'utilisation des Sylphyo. Mais ça cadre bien dans son style.

@Support_AODYO
Exactly. Newer voices work well but older have no dynamics, just on with max loudness, and off, near the threshold you can get kind of chirping, intermittent on/off. Still many voices are quite usable.

I can confirm as of now the list of sounds is exactly the same in both. This is done to allow the near-instantaneous wireless latency as the same sound card is present in both Sylphyo and Link.

Let me know if you have more questions!

Maxence
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@ghostdic Hey! New acoustic sounds are coming!
Also for a glaring sound like an old synthesizer, you can have a look at sound 11 Sylphatty. Sound 20 Classic SquareSaw also does a good job.

Hey! Sorry to get back to you so late, seeing as I believe we covered these topics in our email conversation.

The 8 hours charging time before first use it simply to ensure the battery is fully charged and to calibrate it properly.

Charging more than 8 hours will not hurt the battery as the charging turns off automatically when the battery is full. In other words, no need to set your alarm!

I hope this helps.

Maxence
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@Support_AODYO

Merci pour ces instructions. C'est l'une des procédures les plus originales de remise à zéro que je connaisse, il ne me serait jamais venu à l'idée de faire ça de moi-même (peut-être que ça vaudrait le coup de rajouter ça dans le manuel ou la FAQ).

Ceci dit, voilà la situation: j'ai pu finalement mettre à jour le Sylphyo et le Link, mais pas du premier coup. Ma VM Windows 7 n'y arrivant pas, j'ai essayé un Win7 sur une clé USB branchée dans un vieux portable sous Linux, mais ça n'a pas marché non plus. Finalement, j'ai dû installer un Win10 sur clé USB pour ce même portable, et après que Win10 m'ait donné la main (c'est une catastrophe à installer, ce système), j'ai enfin pu faire la mise à jour (en suivant les instructions ci-dessus pour récupérer le Sylphyo).

Donc, mes conclusions à ce stade: il est impossible de mettre à jour le Sylphyo sous Linux, que ce soit Wine ou via un VM (sous Win7 ‑ mais vu mon échec avec Win7 en direct, peut-être qu'une VM sous Win10 marcherait, même si j'ai l'impression que le Sylphyo a plus que les 3 identités que j'ai identifié, et donc, c'est pas gagné).
À ce stade, et ce jusqu'à ce qu'ont ait plus d'information sur la procédure de mise à jour, il est nécessaire d'avoir un Windows 10 "en direct" (sur disque dur ou clé USB). Peut-être serait-il judicieux d'indiquer dans le manuel ou la FAQ que les utilisateurs Linux doivent avoir accès à un système sous Windows 10 ou Macintosh pour faire les mises à jour. Pour ma part, je vais garder ma clé USB préparée avec Win10 dans un coin pour les mises à jour futures.

Summary in English: to my knowledge, it is not possible to upgrade the Sylphyo or the Link using a Linux-based system. Access to a Windows 10 (possibly on a USB stick) or a Macintosh computer is required to upgrade the Sylphyo and the Link. This is likely to be so until detailed explanations on how the upgrade process happens are provided so we can try and configure accordingly.

@Daniel57 said in Trompette et saxophone, du côté de chez SWAM:

XpressO

Bonsoir, c'est quoi l'XpressO ?

J'ai choisi le Sylphyo (après un EWI 5000) à cause de sa conception et de ses doigtés, proches de la flûte à bec.
Utilisé avec le boitier XpressO c'est l'instrument qu'il me fallait.
Voir mon site : "https://sarabandes.fr", musiques anciennes, Renaissance, baroque surtout.
Les morceaux sont en page privée (à cause de la SACEM) avec un mot de passe.
Me contacter en me donnant un e-mail pour les écouter si besoin.

I chose the Sylphyo (after an EWI 5000) because of its design and fingerings, which are close to the recorder.
Used with the XpressO case it is the instrument I needed.
See my website : "https://sarabandes.fr", early music, Renaissance, baroque especially.
The pieces are on a private page (because of the SACEM) with a password.
Contact me by giving me an e-mail to listen to them if needed.

Cette fonctionnalité paraît simple, mais le diable est dans les détails… Pour que cette proposition puisse avancer, il nous faudrait un peu plus de contexte sur la façon dont cette fonctionnalité pourrait être utilisée, et la façon dont elle s'intégrerait avec le reste des réglages du Sylphyo.

Est-ce que ça doit être vraiment un doigté ? Dans ce cas, que se passe-t-il avec le synthé interne ? Comment peut-il interpréter les touches ? Quelle est la finalité ? Avoir accès aux informations de touches pour qu'un programme ou un script (ou un patch Puredata ou Max) puisse utiliser ces informations et transformer tout cela en MIDI plus "raffiné" ? Dans ce cas, ne vaudrait-il pas mieux envoyer des CC ou des SysEx particuliers, vu que ça demande à peu près le même effort pour les traiter et que ça peut être envoyé en parallèle des autres informations que le Sylphyo envoie déjà, sans obliger le musicien à activer ou désactiver ce mode en fonction des besoins ? Ou alors, est-ce que les notes MIDI iront directement dans un synthé ou instrument virtuel sans traitement ? Dans ce cas, j'imagine que chaque utilisateur aura son idée du "mapping" idéal des touches vers les notes. Est-ce qu'il est également utile d'avoir des informations sur la proximité du doigt avec chaque touche ? Parce que c'est possible, mais ça implique aussi beaucoup plus de données MIDI qui circulent.

Pour pouvoir répondre à toutes ces questions, il nous serait donc très utile d'avoir le plus d'informations possible sur les contextes d'utilisation imaginés et vos besoins.

Hey sorry to hear you are having this problem. Can you send us an email to support@aodyo.com and we can have a look? We try to keep issues separated from discussion threads.

Maxence
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Except for the lowest and highest octave i never lift my thumb, always slide.
I have a history with windcontrollers, Yamaha and Akai Ewi , and sliding is always the good option. Ewi has rollers, making it a easier than the Yamaha. Sylphyo is best, except for the screw , but one gets quickly used to that.

Many times i have portamento on: not to cover glitches, but rather to get a nice pitch bend up to the actual note. Making up a bit for the missing mouth controlled pitch bend. The length of the slur depends on the previous note. One can create a longer slur by quickly tapping a (much) lower octave. It is a pity not all internal sounds have portamento enabled.
I did not check yet if one can switch portamento on via midi input: would be lovely.

Sure needs practise to learn how to slide fast , but thet is part of the game

regards

Frank

Thanks! I expected to see you live on stage! At least it was responsable for a melodic line ..

always nice to see what others do

Regards

Frank

Measured by time playing, Logic's synths are what I play the most - particularly ES2, Sculpture, and EXS24.

However, if I was picking one favorite for a brand new user starting from scratch, I'd probably pick Zeeon for iOS. I chose it because:

the UI is a joy to use. Exactly what it needs to have and nothing more. the patches are really expressive and they all sound fantastic. I feel like some synths (like Synth One for iOS) are intended for more complex patches that don't lend themselves to being played. Those patches already have so much happening that the player's expression doesn't stand out. it requires almost zero configuration. I usually just map expression/CC11 to filter cutoff, which takes 10 seconds (like this). the default patches include a pretty wide range (and third-party patch banks). Probably the weakest category is bowed instruments. it's $10 :-)

Happy playing,

Troy

@rothen_s said in Sylphyo with different hardware configurations:

But if I cannot play the internal sound with the Sylphyo Bench, is there another possibility to play the internal instruments apart from headphones, the amplifier and the "Sylphyo with PC via Audio Out" solution?

Another option is to plug the Sylphyo audio out into powered speakers. Powered speakers are similar to an amplifier in that they contain both an amp and loudspeakers, but they're designed to be used with a computer or other source. Most computer speakers (like Audioengine, Klipsch ProMedia) are powered speakers, so most people already have them.

Look for an "aux in" (3.5mm AKA 1/8") plug on your computer speakers. As an example, on the Presonus Eris E4.5, the aux in plug is 1 of the 2 small plugs on the front: E4.5 photo. You only need the speakers and the Sylphyo, no computer, audio interface, or Link.

Troy

Uff, now I updated the Link. But I can again not make the sound be heard via PC although I selected Sylphyo Link in the Sylphyo Bench. May it have to something to do with the cooperation with the ASIO program? No clue :(

Ok the new sound is there. Thanks, it is a kind of Sax. Just what I was looking for.