Note on #3 above ... it should really read:

Tape. I remove the tape I use to partially cover the "Bell port" - the small exit hole at the bottom of the Sylphyo. This tape increases back pressure and reduces the amount of air needed for playing.

Hi Bernard, the XpressO and the Roland as inprinciple the same age: they both use samples. The Vl70 uses mathematical models of the instruments, wwhich means they react the same as the akoustic instrument. Like on the real instrument, when you blow to hard is overblows, generates the same overtones, so sounds more realistic. The learning phase is also a bit more than compared to a sample instrument..

Though rather old, people still come to check wat synth i used for some sounds..

Kind regards

Frank

ok thanks... I'll try this way and I'll let you know

Good points about kinesiology and especially the idea that "generic solutions only go so far" when customizing an instrument to a person's particular abilities.

I would be very interested in any ideas for transpositionally invariant fingerings. I started exploring this because of similar work done with the EWI (especially by Bret Pimentel and Curt Sipe).

I also have code I am happy to share (Mathematica / Wolfram Language notebooks).

@join said in Support for high-resolution MIDI?:

Have you found a good solution for this?

Yes! For my current use - Sylphyo => Link/MIDI => Cantabile => Kontakt 6 - the facilities for drawing response curves has been the complete solution for handling this issue. This was suggested and discussed in detail in this thread on the Native Instruments forum:

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/high-resolution-breath-controller.442309/

... and I have found that the flexible envelopes (drawn, rather than the table option) are a straightforward and complete solution. I have recently been using envelopes for other purposes - controlling parameters on modular synths using elevation and roll (have not tried compass yet) and that is a fantastic alternative to expression pedals.

For other scenarios that do not have the flexibility provided by Kontakt, I am not sure the solution. MIDI filters do not seem to be the answer, since they are translating MIDI to MIDI, not extending the bit depth of the MIDI stream itself.

There might also be an issues for sound libraries that are encrypted (locked) by the vendor, rendering the curve inaccessible - but I'm not sure about that.

... and Thank You @join for the amazing amount of detailed information!

I've also had my share of "what's that thing" and improvised 30-second demos for airport security officers :), but I never had any issue, be it with our without a case. As it contains a battery, you need to take it in cabin.
I also fly with some of our weirdest electronics prototypes without their enclosure and with wires everywhere, but it hasn't raised any concern so far.

@Clint Here is the zip file uploaded to this forum directly for all interested.

SylphyoReaperTrackIcons_ClintGoss_v1.00.zip

Thanks Clint!

only limitation to this feature is that the Sylphyo display won't reflect patch changes done from the Link as there is currently not status feedback through the wireless transmission.

You are not doing anything wrong.
The up/down buttons are only providing this next/previous feature when NOT paired with the Sylphyo. When you are using the Sylphyo this is achieved by the Sylphyo keys instead.

@Rick-Novy I fixed the URL :)

@Clint There are no plans as of now to make the Link into an audio interface. If we start doing this we will let you know!

You could definitely use the midi inputs of your RME interface to plug in the Link.

For a USB hub, we have had mixed results. They don't work for updating either the Link or the Sylphyo, but some of them (especially the powered ones) work well for Midi.

Let me know if you have more questions.

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Hi Clint,

The line in connector is unbalanced TRS (used to get a stereo signal).
The line out connectors are both unbalanced TS.

I hope this helps.

Maxence
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@Rick-Novy Thanks for the update for this. Good to hear updating fixed your issue. Let me know if you have any more questions :)

I use a clarinet pad guard (Rico Pad Guard) to dry off whatever it will reach and I store my sylphyo with the pad guard inside to absorb moisture. Link to US Amazon page for this product is below.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EQTY74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Ciao,

Grazie per il messaggio.

Si, e possibile suonare con il carica batteria collegato.

Saluti.

thanks Clint, i will have to prospect Cantabile too.

@Clint Only the Snow edition Sylphyos have a LED! The settings on the Sylphyo do not control the LED on the Link

I am handy with a 3D printer (see www.BreathFlute.com) and my newly-ordered Sylphyo is working its way though La Poste France (on it's way to the U.S.) ... Alternate thumb rests might be an easy project.

@Support_AODYO OK, thanks!

@joalbankluane I will do a Sylphyo demo very soon! At least a sound demo first followed by a video demo.

Good to know about Les Sondiers thank you!

Bonjour aux usagers de l'xpresso,

Je viens d'en acheter un d'occasion et j'aimerais savoir par quel moyen revenir aux réglages d'usine.
Je n'ai en effet aucun breath control dessus ! Sur tous les sons, quelques soient les banques, tout est en mode on/off avec la même dynamique..😤
Et le manuel, même trouvé en fr sur un forum dédié, est un peu du chinois pour moi...
Merci pour votre aide !


My GeoShred does not have a Sylphyo input. Maybe you are mixing it up with the SWAM MIDI setting?
Sylphyo is a pure MIDI controller. The GeoSWAM input requires a MPE controller. MPE is a complex superset of MIDI.

If you are interested, the difference (greatly simplified) is as follows: In pure MIDI note and control data are sent on the same channel. In MPE most control commands are sent on channel 1, whereas note data and some control commands (such as Aftertouch) are sent on channels 2 to 16.

Hence, in order to play GeoSWAM using the Sylphyo you will, at a minimum, need to use the settings that I described earlier: "Sylphyo breath control to Aftertouch, Sylphyo MIDI channel to 2, Sylphyo base note at C4 and the GeoShred MIDI to SWAM."

I've just sent my contact info ... looking forward to working on this.

We actually used this! Led a music workshop for Native American flute players a few weeks ago - in person and with N95 masks over the are of the flute (upper middle) where most of the air escapes. Notice the masks over that sound hole area:

FHvst2020_Group_1200c20.jpg

@elusalen Great to know!
Thanks for the update and I am glad to hear that it now works well for you.

Best,

Maxence
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Thank you very much, Fred for that.

C'est une idée intéressante et ça serait en effet bien pratique. En gros, il faudrait que si le pouce arrive sur une zone ignorée, on puisse contrôler le bord haut quand le pouce se déplace dessus, sans avoir à lever le pouce, c'est ça ?
En tous cas, c'est noté et ça pourrait faire l'objet d'une amélioration dans une de nos futures mises à jour.

En attendant, peut-être qu'une façon de contourner le problème pourrait être de mettre une "Taille du pouce" plus grande pour donner plus d'espace aux zones "haut" et "bas" du slider ?

I started with 2 Casio horns and I used to love the Flute fingering which has D,E,F, and G above High C just by lifting your first finger and playing the higher note without having to touch the octave key. I read in the manual these fingerings are the same on the Sylphyo. I Love the aerophone 10G for natural sounds and the Solo for the syn sounds and the rollers make the lower octave sounds great. The aerophone was clinky because the side of my hands near the index fingers used to always touch and squeak. I have large piano player hands so people should be aware this can happen if you have smaller hands and that's why they changed it on the next smaller model. I needed the 2 speakers so I used my dremel to cut off the tops of 6 side keys, Top 3 side keys on each side cut off half way and the problems are over and you still have All the keys the EWI Solo does??? Now I can really get around those Classical midi pieces and I don,t plan on selling it. The first three days I got the EWI Solo I felt like sending it back because its so different from the Roland but day after day I began to love it, especially for the lower octaves and the Syn sounds. I'm sure the Sylphyo will take some getting used to but Its gonna be my 3rd and last wind controller?

@Chris I think in this case as agreed over e-mail, it is best to send this unit back to Bax for a return.

For information this was a B-stock Sylphyo that clearly had issues before Chris got it.

Sorry for the disappointment Chris and let me know if there is anything I can help with.

Maxence
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Thank you for the rapid answer!

It's nice to know it is on the roadmap. I understand that it's difficult to predict when it can be implemented and tested, so I'll be waiting patiently, I can understand also that it's not your main priority.

For the drone, I should have thought of that. I am going to try (so, if I understand correctly, I play a note over MIDI, then send the CC1, and that note will be selected? ‑ anyway, I'll try and find out how to make it work). Thanks for the tip! I'll report my findings for the forum (probably will be only in a few days).

All great options! ;) We are also working on a plug system with different sizes allowing for various breath responses. We will of course announce it when we are ready to ship!

Thanks for getting that into the update, this makes the Sylphyo significantly more useful for me.

@palsyl Hello and thanks for your question! The Flute Phi sound is a physical model of a flute, so is designed to sound quite similar to an acoustic flute, including the breath noise.

I will pass along your request and see what we can do.

Maxence
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@fluterer Hello, no you are correct the Flute Phi does not (yet!) respond to pitch bend as that had some unforeseen side effects on the sound. We are still working on that and it is part of the growing process for our new Physical Modelling sound engine.

Let me know if I can be of any more help!

Maxence
Aodyo Instruments

Hi Badblock

I have used similar placeholders : like email adres : write frank =writef , domain name stdio> My nephew copied the habit as well.

If you ant to get rid of badblocks management: switch to ZFS , it is a dream come true. Too bad the team was bought by Oracle, but they all ran away and ZFS is and stays open source.

What is your usage of the Sylphio? I am originally a sax player (Tenor Soprano, two completely different beasts. Needs separate training to play both well. I played load because that was necessary at the times, which meant playing at home was nearly impossible. I had spare time: so i bought a synth (Yamaha SY99) and because you cannot have expression with a keyboard added a windcontroller. Found a had a huge new range of sounds. So WXX and kurzweil were a team for many years.

Exchanged the Kurzwejl for laptop with virtual instruments. Setup times and the continious fight for low latency made me switch to this new wonder :The Hydrasynth. A true very versatile wonder in a compact case.

I changed the fingering on the Syl to non sax : left pinky half tone up, right pinky half tone down. Works very well on legato play, but needs exercise, sometimes my mind changes back to original sax, more scales i than think.

Good luck with you tube case, and happy blowing !

Frank
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Thanks for the info I'll pass this along to the dev team and we will see what we can do.

Maxence
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@mwebster Hello! Thanks for your questions.

Here is how I've set mine up: For the slide you can turn on the keybend on the Sylphyo (which will act like a pitch bend + and set it in SWAM software to your desired bend effect (I find that + and - 3 works well for what I like, but you might want more or less). You can also set the keybend in Sylphyo to send out a midi CC message which can then be mapped to any parameter you want in SWAM, but for my purposes I've found that leaving it on pitch bend works well.

For the mute, I use the slider to control which mute is engaged and the roll movement to control the position of th mute. This works well and is quite natural (at least when looking at the screen to determine the roll and the mute position).

Let me know if this is helpful for you! I'm working also on a little demo of SWAM with Sylphyo.

Maxence
Aodyo Instruments

Thanks Troy this is very useful! :)

@DominicB Ya I thought the same! I've played Macguffin myself so many times and thought I would have noticed something by now... Sylphyo is full of surprises :)

@Support_AODYO thanks very much!

Adding to the list:
Trumpet/trombone phi
Brass section phi
electric guitar phi

Nicolas,

If this were a traditional woodwind, I'd say get a high school band book and learn from there because it will teach you the fingerings. You can probably do that for some Sylphyo fingering patterns, but I think there are enough differences you may get frustrated.

There is a series of method books for clarinet called the Lazarus Method. That's one option. Just use the fingering chart of your choice from the Sylphyo manual and work your way through the book. It's full of easy and challenging exercises and classical/opera pieces that, although intened for clarinet, aren't really instrument specific for the most part. Just bear in mind the book is intended for a Bb instrument, so you might want to set the sylphyo to transpose. That said, you probably have never heard any of the pieces in the method, so playing in any key probably doesn't make much difference.

the method is a series of three substantial books, and you probably don't need any but the first, but thre are a lot of fun pieces in books 2 and 3.

Great job