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@clint Thank you very much for your detailed answer! Have a good time!

@join OK, this is excellent. More than the details, it gives me a whole new perspective on latency ... (but the details are cool too!)

Thank you !!!

(and thanks @Peter-Ostry as well)

It also explains why I saw significantly different MIDI coming out of the Link vs. the Sylphyo USB port for the same input ...

@join Thanks for that!

Been playing with Reaction Time and Reaction Time Octaves and I'm getting the feeling that Reaction Time Octaves only comes in to play when I move from one thumb pad to another. My issue seems to occur mostly when I lift my thumb (and simultaneously change fingering on the front side).

In the fingering I'm using, lifting the thumb goes up an octave ... but this seems to use the Reaction Time delay and not the Reaction Time Octaves delay. Is that correct??

One solution is to introduce a very slight articulation to interrupt the airflow. I've started doing this subconsciously and this reduces artifacts (pops and beeps) substantially.

Maxence just forwarded the requests to me, so you can just send me a mail directly.

I've sent you one with a link to a beta to help you check your fingering updates, so that you have my address :).

@bo2 Here is another configuration that I use when I am programming the VL70-m from an editor on my laptop:

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(click on the image for a larger / more detailed version)

@Clint Thanks for all the very detailed analyses you made. As soon as I get a sizeable chunk of free time, I intend to carefully read them all from the beginning and contribute tests that can help us understand what's going on and get to the bottom of this.

@steviek Nobody else of Aodyo can comment on this particular issue, unfortunately, but we're reading everything posted. It's just that I can only do one thing at a time, and such a question deserves proper treatment and will take time to answer. Sorry that we've not been very good for giving a sense of where we are and where we are heading to. I hope we'll be able to communicate a bit more often from this point on.

Thanks @peter-ostry ... good to know it's on my end ... it's driving me crazzzy ...

Hello Clint,

No we wouldn't be at the Musikmesse Frankfurt 2022.

The last edition of the Musikmesse we took part were quite disappointing and we decided to get to the SuperBooth in Berlin in September 2021 instead.

Such shows are still complicated in the current pandemic context.

If a note Off is delayed, then there is a moment that two notes are ON. This might cause a mini legato / glide in Respiro.

If the Respiro note transition is set to Synth mode then you will have less pops versus when you use the Real mode.

I would need to dig into the Sylphyo to understand the way it deals with key glitches. But typically when using certain fingering transitions, glitches can occurs due to the changing keystroke (not all fingers in sync). I think this is why the Key / Reaction time parameter exist. Typically keystrokes less than 20ms are glitches. Therefore setting this value to 1ms will probably not filter glitches keystrokes and provide a more snappy response to your fingering BUT it demands that you master your fingering technique...Respiro is responding super fast to note changes and a glitch note during playing can result in a create a pop.

With other words, if you set the reaction time to 1ms, then I would advice Respiro in Synth Mode and increase the value till pops are gone...

Hope this helps ;-)

@join
Thank you so much for the feedback. I am new to this kind of analysis / testing, but I really want to understand how this all works to get the best control over my sound ...

Settings are provided below. Key settings I guess are:

** MIDI Mapping Breath rate: Low (125 Hz) -- Based on the XpressO and Ingo's advice Velocity: Dynamic Capture delay: 20ms ** Keys Reaction time: 20ms

Breath rate is Low / 125Hz because of the XpressO, which was choking (for a while, at least) on Medium and above.

Velocity = Dynamic because many of the VSTs I use depend on that. My VL70-m is fantastic, but I currently have a (very) hybrid rig (still in the expansion / exploration phase with my rig).

Key Feature would be a way to re-configure the Sylphyo via MIDI program changes. I could then switch settings when switching sound rendering modules or VSTs. Without that, I am really stuck with the "least common denominator" across all my sound rendering tools.

I am not sure what your term "key debounce time" is ... is it Keys / Reaction time?

I will use 15 - Cheap Tunes in the future for testing ... (that sounds the most immediate to me of the choices you suggested).

Thanks again!!

@peter-ostry

I never considered that the sound triggering mechanism might be other than MIDI. But, of course, analog synths use CV and that's a whole 'nother world ... would love to understand how this actually works on the Sylphyo!

All the settings I used for latency tests:

Clint's Configuration Settings for the Aodyo Sylphyo Firmware version: 1.4.8 As of 11/27/2021 * Sound Volume: 100% Reverb: 70% * MIDI Mapping Breath: CC 2 ...and --- ...and --- Breath rate: Low (125 Hz) -- Based on the XpressO and Ingo's advice ...per CC: On Delay notes if needed: On Velocity: Dynamic Capture delay: 20ms Max. velocity: 127 Slider ctrl. CC 1 Top slider ctrl. CC 12 Btm. slider ctrl. CC 13 Elevation ctrl. CC 75 Roll ctrl. CC 76 Compass ctrl. CC 77 Key-bend ctrl. CC 78 Program change > Send Bank Off Bank (MSB) --- Bank (LSB) --- Note-off delay 10ms * Breath Minimum: 20 Range: 600 Curve: Log Filtering: On * Keys Fingering: NativeFlute+ Octaves: 5(+2) octaves Invert ocatves: Disabled Left pinky: -1st: Disabled Right pinky: +1st: Disabled Replay same note: Disabled Reaction time: 20ms R.time octaves: 20ms (If [Reaction time] is 0ms, then this must be 0ms) More sensitive: Enabled Key-bend (BETA): PB+ Key noise (BETA): Disabled * Slider Function: Ctrl (latch) Top edge: Bend - Btm. edge: Ctrl. Edge size: 9mm * Movement Shake to move: On Shake vibrato: On Range: 20% Sensitivity: 43% Threshold: 9% Elevation control: On Bidirectional: Off Absolute: Off Range: +-35 degrees Roll control: On Bidirectional: On Absolute: Off Range: +-20 degrees Compass ctrl. (BETA): On Absolute: Off Bidirectional: Off Range: +-20 degrees Always on: Off ---- * Base Key: A3 * Output: MIDI ch. 1 ---- * Invert Display: Off * Receiver device: Connected CH 23 * LED: Off

@join Excellent description ... thank you so much!

I now see how the routing diagram from the Link manual works ... it was not clear to me at first.

I have done my own version, so I don't have to figure it out all over again in the future:

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I hope it's correct ...

Just released the Chill Nite album from this concert – free for streaming and download at ClintGoss.Bandcamp.com.

I played the first five tracks live over a sparse nature soundscape. I played the last three tracks live, supported by the recorded music of my mentor, David Darling, pianist Alexander Nakarada, and the drone sounds of a particular species of “drumming fish”.

Virtual versions of real-world instruments include Native American flutes, clarinet, oboe, cello, mandolin, tubular bells, chimes, Armenian duduk, bansuri, and silver flute. I also played virtual-only instruments: Heaven Bells, Respiro (Desert Wind), EVI-NER, Marble, and Matt Traum’s IndiaFlute and Beauty.

YouTube sampler video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71RUnNvvTIQ

Full album can be streamed and downloaded at no cost: https://ClintGoss.Bandcamp.com/

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Not quite a rig schematic, but a rigging schematic, somehow :-)

This is the first part of my Sylphyo interface to play with software instruments.

Originally I wanted it in Logic or Mainstage or another DAW I own, but the basically simple task went more complicated than I had expected. So I decided to make my own Sylphyo DAW in Max and enjoy the graphical possibilities.

Screenshot overview:

Top left, Sylphyo MIDI comes in through moving faders and is routed by a 12x12 matrix. Horizontal top is incoming, vertical right matrix border is outgoing. Each matrix output can be scaled, slowed down (Glide) and can have a curve applied. The right side of the screenshot is the graphical live display and shows all used Sylphyo messages after processing. Breath is the filled circle, blue background is Elevation, the two lines are Roll and Compass.

The screenshot tells that the Sylphyo is blown with medium force (thin outer circle is maximum). The instrument is held down and slightly rolled to the left with a bit of left Compass. The played note is a G4 with velocity 115. All other values are also shown in several colored faders.

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Have not played much yet, but it seems to work well. Not many refinements needed, just a little technical elegance is missing (you have to look at the backside of the screenshot to see that).

Click on the image to show it in original size.
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Next part to do are connections and mappings to a handful of virtual instruments.

@paul-flute Yes you can have a lot of Sylphyo and Links in the same room, as each connection uses a separate channel.

@clint This is a great video and represents the Sylphyo very well indeed! Thank you very much for the appreciation you have for our instrument @Clint !

@peter-ostry That wonderfully clears things up ... thank you for the info!

This issue seems to be fixed in the latest RC13.7 release (dated 7/18/2021). (I was actually using an earlier RC13.7 version dated 7/11/2021 when I had these issues).

I can now increase the Breath Rate on the Sylphyo all the way up to Max with no apparent problems.

Loving the Sylphyo + XpressO combination!

@clint Dear Clint
I am an amateur musician, my instruments, are clarinet and saxophones. I have decided to digitize my musical exercises for reasons of time. SYLFYO instruments are easy to learn fingering?. Could you send me the fingering you currently use to play the Bb clarinet with SYLPHYO? I’II leave you my email. I would be really grateful to you. In your opinion which is the best aerophone instrument to digitize the clarinet sound? Thanks. Best regards.
My email: ar.bersani@alice.it

Armando Bersani

@clint This is awesome, you've just given me an idea. I'm going to run down to Home Depot and get a piece of black ABS pipe with caps and create a small case while using some grey foam to go around the Sylphyo. It's one of those instruments you just want to take to the park or out into the woods. This way it will be waterproof let alone can absorb shock if accidently dropped.

@peter-ostry Thanks for the clarification ... I had made some unfounded assumption as to how it was designed to work.

My main performance DAW is Cantabile, which has a massive set of MIDI filtering, mapping, and munging tools - I can massage pretty much any MIDI stream into what I want (Sysex excepted).

@clint Thank you for catching that !

@friedus

Please note : if you think you play much better after Basaltfeuer intake, you have taken too much.

If you take more, one definitely sees the burning of basalt..

Regards

Frank

@support_aodyo Excellent insight and info ... Thanks!!

@support_aodyo The Factor Reset worked!! I can now store settings and they persist through a power cycle.

Thankfully, I wrote down the myriad settings I have adjusted ...

Thank you SO MUCH for your help!!

Thanks Maxence ... yes, I've got that ... but the "3" in "C3" could mean (as I've found out recently) many different things depending on the octave numbering you use. The Sylphyo (from my examining the MIDI stream it puts out) puts out MIDI hex 3C = decimal 60 for "C3" which is Middle C. That's the same standard that Kontakt, Apple Logic, Cubase, Steinberg, and Yamaha keyboards use.

However, the ISO standard that is used by Korg, Roland, and most of the piano tuning and composing world (and also the Native flute world) use "C4" for Middle C. That's why I was always off by an octave before I understood these issues.

Cakewalk Sonar actually uses C5 for Middle C, which is really confusing!

@clint said in Floor Stand:

Another concern is that the internal airway of my Sylphyo does not appear to be "sealed". If I block the bell port completely and breathe gently through the mouthpiece, air freely escapes ... to ?someplace?. It is not escaping from around the mouthpiece, so it must be going someplace in the body of the instrument.

I found the answer to this one: I was actually doing the test with the mouthpiece removed - I was breathing into the blue collar. In this setup, the air does escape (from under the blue collar?).

When I install the mouthpiece and close the bell port with my finger, all is tightly sealed - only a miniscule amount of air seems to escape ... barely noticable.

@ijfritz I'm happy it was usefull!

@clint It's your hard-working. Thanks a lot

Perfect, I will try that.
Thanks to CSP and Aodyo Support

Hi Clint

looks like s design fault on the motherboard, or a faulty component. A simple solution would be a powered USB hub.

I have the link with two other USB machine in a case. Hub inside the case, one cable to the computer.

And the link is also powered without a computer

Regards

Frank

Note on #3 above ... it should really read:

Tape. I remove the tape I use to partially cover the "Bell port" - the small exit hole at the bottom of the Sylphyo. This tape increases back pressure and reduces the amount of air needed for playing.

@Clint Here is the zip file uploaded to this forum directly for all interested.

SylphyoReaperTrackIcons_ClintGoss_v1.00.zip

Thanks Clint!

You are not doing anything wrong.
The up/down buttons are only providing this next/previous feature when NOT paired with the Sylphyo. When you are using the Sylphyo this is achieved by the Sylphyo keys instead.

@Clint There are no plans as of now to make the Link into an audio interface. If we start doing this we will let you know!

You could definitely use the midi inputs of your RME interface to plug in the Link.

For a USB hub, we have had mixed results. They don't work for updating either the Link or the Sylphyo, but some of them (especially the powered ones) work well for Midi.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Maxence
Aodyo Instruments
Aodyo.com

only limitation to this feature is that the Sylphyo display won't reflect patch changes done from the Link as there is currently not status feedback through the wireless transmission.

@support_aodyo Can you provide the impedances on the input and output audio channels?

I've also had my share of "what's that thing" and improvised 30-second demos for airport security officers :), but I never had any issue, be it with our without a case. As it contains a battery, you need to take it in cabin.
I also fly with some of our weirdest electronics prototypes without their enclosure and with wires everywhere, but it hasn't raised any concern so far.

@Clint Only the Snow edition Sylphyos have a LED! The settings on the Sylphyo do not control the LED on the Link

@milododds There are many creative solutions for crafting Bell Port plugs! (Make sure they are removable and won't damage the plastic in the bell of the instrument)

PLA = Polylactic Acid, a common thermoplastic polymer used for filament material in 3D printing.

I've just sent my contact info ... looking forward to working on this.