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Posts made by Peter Ostry
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@support_aodyo said in Feature Request: Turning PC out off.:
We will look into adding this feature in the future.
Do you actually consider to (optionally) block PC output from the Sylphyo/Link?
The thing is, that I have to expand my controller and will lose the second MIDI output. If the Sylphyo does not get the PC-block feature, I need to buy a little box that does it. That costs about 130-200 Euro, depending on the model. Only because of those Program Changes ...
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RE: New apple M1 chip on mac
No problem here with Sylphyo and Link (Mac mini M1)
Bench software does not run, I already deleted it.
If I remember right, it is made with Max 7. I don't need bench, but maybe
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RE: rock plus roll on CC76?
I knew that there are some difficulties with measuring angles in space but I did not know the details. Thank you very much for the explanation and the link to Gimbalpedia. Hopefully you get the quaternion method working, I read the description three times and still don't understand this Pi trick ;-)
Regarding the current version:
Like you, I think the compass behavior at steeper elevation angles cannot easily get re-calculated to a smooth transition between roll and compass. It depends where you start to blow. And this is different from aircrafts and space ships, which need absolute information about their position while the Sylphyo is most times played in a relative mode. Maybe this will change with quaternions, but that is another story.
I observed all MIDI data from the Sylphyo in Max, tried many settings and decided to block compass data if the elevation parameter is at zero. This does not save every situation, but most. I am comfortable with this restriction. Of course I lose the roll=compass gesture with the vertical Sylphyo but well, not everything must get translated to sound. If I play without a computer, I either avoid steep angles or don't use compass.
Regarding this "vertical yaw" with a steeply held Sylphyo that ijfritz found and that you see as a side effect: I like that. And now I understand that is not an additional parameter. It just comes as roll and actually this is good. I missed roll in steep positions, don't know why I never tried to swing the instrument left/right. Nice bug, please don't fix it, rather call it a feature.
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RE: rock plus roll on CC76?
Regarding your question: As far as I know, the "yaw" parameter is not described in the manual, nor in a tutorial.
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I am also rather new to the Sylphyo and just learned from you about this additional parameter which is not available (yet?) as separate data. If someone else programmed the sensor part of the Sylphyo system, Aodyo support may also not know about "yaw", that only works around the vertical position and seems to be masked as "roll".
I am pretty sure that we could get "yaw" as a separate parameter, similar to "roll". And if we set yaw and roll to the same CC, the additional data would not bother anyone who does not want to use them separately.
But as I mentioned, yaw collides with the beta compass mode. This "compass" is problematic at the moment. It works well in the usual playing position, but when you tilt the Sylphyo down, "roll" gets reduced as expected and "compass" goes haywire. It jumps erratically. If you start blowing in the vertically down position, the "roll" gesture works as "compass", which seems logical. But when you tilt the Sylphyo upwards, "compass" goes haywire again. There should be a smooth transition and hopefully Aodyo is working on it.
It could also be, that the programmers are well aware about the compass problem and want to solve this first, before they think about a separate yaw paramter, which introduces a very similar problem. Wouldn't a horizontal yaw be, what they call compass? They could replace "compass" by the universal "yaw". But then, what about rolling in the vertical position? We would need compass again. Or smooth transitions from one parameter to the other. Well, that is Aodyo's business and as long as they don't ask us we just discuss for personal amusement :-)
However, I am happy with the Sylphyo as it is and appreciate when the Aodyo people take their time to improve the system in a reliable way.
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RE: rock plus roll on CC76?
I think what you mean is called "yaw" in aviation ("gieren" in German). A rotation around the vertical airplane axis from the view of the pilot.
I like this behavior of the Sylphyo and I believe that it was implemented on purpose as it is.
Due to the magnetic field sensor, a "roll" gesture started in a horizontal Sylphyo position gets less effective, the more you angle the instrument downwards. Near the final vertical position no more rolling is measurable. This can be musically useful, but it also means, that starting in a steep downwards position, which can make sense in a visual performance, would not have any roll possibility unless you move the Sylphyo up. I assume that Aodyo implemented the "yaw" movement as a "second roll". While the Sylphyo is held steeply downwards, you can yaw/(roll) it with a pendulum motion. Futher up you can move on to the normal roll gesture.
I see this implementation as simplification for new users and for players who prefer just a few technical possibilities over loads of features.
But personally I think that yaw should be an independent parameter. We can always set yaw and roll to the same controller number and this could even be the default setting (like it is now). It is a good idea to set defaults for easiest playing, but when we start to tweak, all motions should be usable in any way we want.
Delicate: In a more horizontal position, "yaw" collides with the "compass" parameter. Tricky stuff ...
I think that the movement of the Sylphyo is not perfectly worked out yet, but since it also depends on features still in beta state, I would prefer to discuss this in a separate thread.
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@frank
With the right software you won't have a serious problem. I have small problems only because I want my setup to work with and without a computer. The latter has less possibilities.I think there has to be a balance between Sylphyo as a standalone instrument and Sylphyo as a MIDI controller. Both implementations are very good.
I use the distinct sounds of the Sylphyo in parallel with other sounds via MIDI. I can live with the missing MIDI thru. Just would like to get rid of this program change from the Link.
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Our secondary discussion:
My description was misleading. I don't play through many speakers yet. That's a future plan. I meant a hexaphonic guitar pickup with 6 outputs. Each string in a different audio channel. Overall output is stereo for now.
You plan to play through 24 speakers or more? That's quite a mouthful :-) Do you make a dome or a circle?
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@frank
How can I set the Link to a certain MIDI channel?
So far I've seen it is always omni.—
Regarding loud guitarists: I can play loud but I am rather the quiet guy. Originally coming from classical and jazz guitar I currently make experiments with sound collages, 6-channel audio and MIDI guitar.
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@frank
Yes I do what you suggest. MIDI for sound selection comes from the Gordius. I want to step once on the foot controller and have a complete sound set: Sylphyo via Link, hardware synth and a couple of effect boxes. About the same as a guitarist does with a MIDI rack (indeed I am a guitarist with a MIDI rack :-)I found two methods:
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One MIDI line exclusively for the Link and one line for everything else. The Gordius controller sends the data first to the Link and then to others. If I want to change only Sylphyo sounds on the fly, I need to switch channels before, as Maxence suggested. But this happens very seldom if ever.
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Another method is to disconnect the Link from the controller, change Sylphyo sounds on the Sylphyo only and afterwards step (again) on the controller to set the synth to the right program number again.
At the moment I tend to method 2) because I think that I will use just a handful of favorite Sylphyo sounds. And I spare me the second MIDI line.
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@support_aodyo
Instead of optionally blocking outgoing program changes in the Sylphyo, I can also imagine another method if that is easier to implement: optionally setting another MIDI channel for outgoing program changes. Both methods can decouple Sylphyo program from synth program in hardware-only setups. -
RE: Floor Stand
@clint
I am not convinced of the fan. Doesn't it dry out the watery component of the liquid but leave the ingrediences that promote the growth of mushrooms? I can imagine that the remaining dry germs are happy when they get new colleagues and water during the next playing time and the population may grow quickly. Maybe it is better to let the liquid drip off, probably soaking it up with some removable kitchen-pad-like material and for longer breaks just clean the tube with a usual cleaning cloth.I like your idea of the 90° turn to lock the Sylphyo in place. With the right dimensions of the "clamp" you may not even need the 5° backwards tilt.
Actually you inspire me to buy a 3D printer too :-)
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What for are the sound duplicates in the list?
In the sound menu of the Sylphyo, after the "regular" sounds, the list repeats itself with names with a ° (degree) sign in front.
Is there something we should know about these duplicates or do we just ignore them?
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RE: Behavior of Elevation Control
@clint
So far I've seen this is not possible with the Sylphyo alone. Needs MIDI processing.The elevation angle tells how much the Sylhpyo's bell is lower than the mouthpiece. Horizontal is 0° and only there you get 127. Fully down is 90°. When you have the elevation setting at 35° and start playing fully down, nothing happens until you reach 35°. From that point you get 1-127 until you reach the horizontal position (0°).
I would prefer from-to degree settings, where we can set an arbitrary range instead of dealing with given endpoints. But as a newcomer I don't dare to send two feature requests on the same day ;-)
I do not use Kontakt but this is sophisticated software. It should have something like input curves or other ways to scale input data.
If Kontakt cannot do it, maybe your DAW can. Which DAW do you use?
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RE: Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
@Clint
The bank setting let's you select a sound bank number (for synths who require that) but afterwards it also sends the Program Change.@support_aodyo
I see what you mean and it is somehow similar to what I do. Below is a draft of my smallest computerless setup (not tested yet).The controller has 2 MIDI outlets that can be filtered by channel. For each sound change I send first the Sylphyo PC (which sets the 'wrong' Blofeld program) and after a short delay I send the Blofeld PC I want. The Gordius can do this automatically. This way I get one dedicated sound combination with a single footstep.
Manipulating the Sylphyo settings will still 'unset' the Blofeld program but I don't see a way to avoid this as long as the Sylphyo sends Program Changes. I could add a hardware MIDI filter after the Sylphyo but this adds another box and may cost additional 100 Euro or more.
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RE: Experience with Link as USB Host?
@support_aodyo
Checked again and disabled the Sylphyo's movement CCs. Really cannot tell what is going on. Stuck notes, changing/losing the Sylphyo's internal sound (I mix with the Link's stereo input) and weird behavior overall. Turned everything off and on in different order – no change. Turned everything off, went back to direct MIDI connection and it worked fine.Never mind. I believe some devilish ghost in a parallel universe prevents me from using USB hosts. A Keith McMillen host did not work here. A Kenton USB host didn't. Why should the Link do. I blame the ghost ;-)
MIDI over DIN works well, I will use this.
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Feature Request: Turning PC out off.
A shy feature request:
Could you please think about an option to block outgoing Program Changes in the Sylphyo?The Sylphyo outputs PC at various occasions and often switches the other synth to some program it should not be. In my case I want to change the sound of both independently. Of course in other setups you want the programs strictly linked. Therefore the setting must be optional.
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RE: Experience with Link as USB Host?
Blofeld Desktop.
It accepts anything. Notes, Pitch Bend, Program Change, most Control
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RE: Pitch Bend initialization
@support_aodyo Yes, I think I was too early with narrow thumb space. It takes a while to handle that.
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MIDI Thru on the Link?
Is it possible to configure the Link's MIDI output as Out/Thru?
Would be fine for hardware synths, when the Link could merge incoming data with Sylphyo data at the output.
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Question about "Always on" and "LED"
Two Sylphyo questions.
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Menu page "Movement", last setting: "Always on"
I wanted to use "Always on" for Roll and Compass control (MIDI out). But the function only works when the "Absolute" setting is ON. Is this intentional? The manual doesn't mention a dependency.
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Main menu page, Wireless: "LED"
What is the "LED" setting supposed to do? The light on the Link box does not change.
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Roll control makes Compass value jumping
I see that Compass control is in beta stage, so the following bug may already be known:
Rolling my Sylphyo more than about 45° to the side makes the compass (!) control jump to the min or max value, depending on the roll direction. Rolling to the right side kicks the Compass value to the lowest position and vice versa. I can reliably reproduce this by monitoring the MIDI data in Max.
It happens
... in a sensor-friendly playing position (Sylphyo horizontally)
... in all Roll modes (standard, bidirectional, absolute)
... with all Roll degree settings (5°–90°)We can work around the problem by avoiding large degree values and/or extreme roll movements. But since one parameter (roll) triggers another parameter (compass) so hard, I thought you may want to know about it.
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RE: Pitch Bend initialization
@david-lazzi Thanks, I know this video and already managed to use key-pitchbend according to Pedro's suggestions.
Sylphyo Bench does not run well on my machine but I have my own Max interface for optical feedback. There I see that the thumb-rolling bend does not always work initially.
But I think you are right, it should get better over time when I learn to set my fingers more accurately. I am not used to touch buttons yet.
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Pitch Bend initialization
I seem to have a problem with thumb-rolling pitch bend. It should bend down (standard setting) but when I start to play, it often refuses to bend. I have to tap or slide a little on the strip and eventually the bend starts working and then it continues to work. Did not find a reliable method yet.
Is there a common gesture you use to "initialize" pitch bend before you play or do I just need practice to place my thumb more exactly when I pick up the Sylphyo?
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Experience with Link as USB Host?
Does anyone here use the Sylphyo Link as an USB Host? I tried with my only USB synth, a Blofeld, and that does not work. Did not check the MIDI data, but sounds weird and notes get quickly stuck. Is it device dependent?
Actually I have bad experience with USB hosts of this kind. I think I am better off to forget about this possibility and rather stick to DIN MIDI which works well. Right?
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RE: Key reaction time 0 not usable?
@support_aodyo
Regarding factory reset: I do that quite often because I am working on a Max interface for the Sylphyo to control various synths with everything the Sylphyo offers.Regarding 1.4.8 upgrade: Did it again, behavior remains unchanged. Key reaction 0 requires octave reaction 0.
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RE: Key reaction time 0 not usable?
@support_aodyo
Ha!
If key reaction time is 0 ms, then octave key reaction time must also be 0 ms. Feels like a bug, right?For me it is ok, I am new to the Sylphyo and currently see no reason to make the reaction slower than instantly.
To your other question:
I am on the latest 1.4.8 version, I think. Upgraded yesterday and the 'Diagnostic' functions says v1.4.8 -
RE: Dynamic velocity not working?
@support_aodyo No plug, the Sylphyo exit is open. I lowered capture delay to 10, 5 and 0 ms and the breath range to the default 600. No success.
New observation: My dynamic velocity works for legato but not for single notes. When I play a series of single notes with equal force, the velocity values are rather random.
After a factory reset – which parameters do I have to change to make dynamic velocity working on single notes? From this point I should be able to figure out what to do and what not.
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Key reaction time 0 not usable?
(Firmware 1.4.8 on Link and Sylphyo)
When I set the key reaction time to 0 ms, my Sylphyo doesn't like me anymore. No legato playing possible and it misses many key changes. From 1 ms on it behaves normally.Not that I would need 0 ms, just thought that it should be a valid setting.
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Dynamic velocity not working?
(Firmware 1.4.8 on Link and Sylphyo)
Dynamic velocity does not work properly here. Seldom it follows breath. See the readout of Midi Monitor below, where I played 4 times from very soft to as hard as I can. Instead of expected velocity from almost 0 up to 127 I got 1, 19, 18, 4.16:02:42.499 From Sylphyo Link Note On 1 G3 1 16:02:42.625 From Sylphyo Link Note Off 1 G3 0 16:02:43.777 From Sylphyo Link Note On 1 G3 19 16:02:43.885 From Sylphyo Link Note Off 1 G3 0 16:02:45.116 From Sylphyo Link Note On 1 G3 18 16:02:45.379 From Sylphyo Link Note Off 1 G3 0 16:02:46.713 From Sylphyo Link Note On 1 G3 4 16:02:47.066 From Sylphyo Link Note Off 1 G3 0
Maybe it depends on some settings?
Breath – Range 5-2000, Curve Log, Filtering OFF.
Keys – Reaction time 10 ms, More sensitive ON.
Velocity – Dynamic, Capture delay 20 ms, Max. velocity 127.