This would be possible to add something by just slightly unscrew the thumb rest, then use a loop attachment like what is used for strap attachment on wiimote or similar devices:
https://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/ds/images/strap_2.gif
You do not need to completely unscrew the thumb rest which would avoid any trouble when trying to put back the thumb rest screw.
By the way, if the concern is to avoid the fall of the Sylphyo, such a wiimote strap would do the trick.

@doul Thank you very much for your quick answer.

À propos du Sylphyo et des tablettes Windows, on en parle aussi dans un autre sujet (en anglais, par contre) où ont été testées une tablette comparable à la Surface Pro et une tablette à 100€. Vous pourrez y trouver quelques conseils sur la meilleure façon de paramétrer vos logiciels.

Envoyez bien votre vidéo et votre configuration (ainsi que vos remarques ultérieures) directement par mail à support@aodyo.com : nous y serons plus à l'aise pour discuter que sur un forum public.

Pour votre problème, le fait qu'il puisse aussi arriver sur un EWI me fait dire que la technologie capacitive a peut-être du mal avec vos doigts (on cherche des gens comme vous pour améliorer nos capteurs :)). Veuillez essayer la version 1.0.2 du logiciel interne du Sylphyo qui devrait améliorer la détection des doigts de certaines personnes au niveau des touches de jeu.

Nous serions intéressés d'en savoir plus au niveau des autres problèmes que vous décrivez (touches d'octave), mais là encore je pense qu'il serait plus approprié de passer par support@aodyo.com. On attend votre mail !

Merci pour toutes vos réponses !

I love your approach and I do want to become a user and supporter. I may still get a unit in its present form since all future enhancements will be add-on-able or at least that's the plan.
I've been thinking about the vocoder/vocal cavity idea for some time now and believe it has great possibilities. I would definitely make some cool noise with that. Sounds that I attempt to make today with a wah pedal could be made richer with the mouth while playing. I even considered using a talk box while playing. I like how you guys are thinking outside the box and I understand that it takes time.

merci beaucoop pour vos réponses ! impatient de l'acheter !

Yes it does exist on EWI 4000
An other trick for sustain is to use an audio looper pedal ...not exactly what you are looking for but works pretty well

Just watched a video review of the library, it sounds really nice!

After skimming the manual, it looks like CC11 (Expression, the default CC for breath on the Sylphyo) is taken into account with the Armenian Duduk, the Turkish Ney, the Persian Ney, and the Zourna. CC2 seems to be used as a switch (to turn on/off the speed knob) rather than as a breath controller. CC1 (the default CC for the slider) seems to control how velocity influences the way legatos are performed.

So based on the manual only (couldn't find a demo), I'd say you could use CC11 with a fixed velocity (100 rather than 127), or maybe with dynamic velocity, as velocity seems to influence legato. But don't take my word for it: we don't have the library here, so the best thing to do would be to ask the library developers themselves!

@join J'ai craqué...
Commandé chez Woodbrass
Livré fin de semaine prochaine !
Jacques

P.S. je serai très intéressé de faire parti des alpha ou beta testeurs.
Je suis à la retraite , donc j'ai du temps et c'était une partie de mon travail !...

The MIDI In can be used as a MIDI input when using the MIDI receiver as a standard Class Compliant USB MIDI interface.
This is only possible when the Sylphyo Controller is Off, as this input is replaced by the Wireless MIDI input when the Sylphyo is Off.

@join Well, I am no sure. One option, as you has said, is to chose only one escale each time (c mayor, a minor, g mayor and so on). The other idea would be to use the 8 keys, each one for 1 note. And the 3 position of the the octava key for 3 other notes. And the slider for another note. This way we have the 12 notes!

Bien sûr, vous pourrez essayer le Sylphyo à Musicora. Nous communiquerons sur le site ou la newsletter pour d'éventuels autres événements dans l'année.

(J'ai supprimé votre message dans l'autre partie du forum)

@doul
The problem is not with the MIDI message, which can be easily transformed, but how it is emited...
It is actually very good for its purpose, a kind of "after touch", but not as a regular controller like the inclination which works perfectly.
There is nothing we can do until the two axis can work in the same manner :-(

Yes, this is on our roadmap. Probably, hardware version first, then virtual version ...

To give a complementary answer, it really depends on your tablet, on the Android version, and on the synth software you're planning to use. As Laurent said, Android isn't a good option for musical performance, but here are some pointers if you're determined to try and use the Sylphyo with your tablet.

First, you must ensure that your tablet can work as a USB Host; i.e., that you can plug, for instance, a mouse or a USB flash drive, and that your tablet can access it. I think you can easily get this kind of information with a quick Google search.
You'll also need a USB-OTG adapter that allows you to connect your Android tablet to the receiver device of the Sylphyo.

Then, your version of Android must be understand USB-MIDI. As USB-MIDI support seems to have been introduced in Marshmallow, I guess there's pretty good support for any kind of device, but I haven't tried it (we don't have any Android device here at Aodyo).

And finally, you will have to find a synth application that supports MIDI devices connected through USB. A synth that responds correctly to wind controllers might be even harder to find (there are some in iOS, but I don't know for Android). You might have to look into the settings of the app to enable and configure the MIDI connection.

If you want to go down this route, I suggest that you follow video tutorials such as this one (but instead of connecting a MPKmini, you'll be connecting the receiver device, and you'll be playing from the Sylphyo). Don't hesitate to report on your progress here!

@Laurent_AODYO Great. Thank you. I read on your main website about your collaboration with Pedro Eustache. Wow! I used to listen over and over his Youtube video playing the Armenian duduk. Such a haunting instrument! And I love that you all are so open to having more of the traditional instrument fingers and sounds on the Sylphyo. By the way, if you want to skype, I can show you the fingering of the 8 hole bamboo xiao in person. You can email me.

Oh, thanks! And nice, quick response!

Hi Christian

that's neat.
Maybe to overcome the disadvantage of transposing on the Sylphyo one could use a transpose midifilter in Cantabile instead (I am planning something similar using both Cantabile and a neat midi plugin called Cales from CodeFN42 which can filter incoming notes to any scale)

I have bought it in Thomann. Everything has gone all right. It is true that I would have liked to be able to test it first. Anyway, I am very very happy with Sylphyo.

Videos are coming! Every week we work on new content! But we haven't mastered the Xpression yet, so we won't do a video about it if we can't demonstrate the awesome little features that work great with the Sylphyo! Of course you'll be able to test both if you come see us at Musikmesse.

We didn't start to work on such topic because there was enough work providing more fingering first before trying to provide a new one dedicated to the Sylphyo. In any case, such a fingering, should be based on an existing instrument with some additional fingerings (in a similar manner as what we did first with the recorder fingering that tolerates both modern and baroque recorder fingering altogether, with some sax and clarinet player friendly additional fingering). Maybe we would need to setup a fingering editor first to be able to experiment on such a topic.

Thanks for this quite complete report, Christian. Looks like you found a terrific setup! And you came up with a nice solution for the limited range of the Samplemodeling instruments. Reading your post made me look for my cheap Windows Bay Trail tablet and try out some SWAM instruments as well.

Of course, it's a 100€ 8-inch tablet (Dell Venue 8 Pro 3845, with 1G RAM), and Windows 10 is quite unreliable with it (I regret updating from 8.1), so I didn't expect it to be a trusty rig for live performance, but I found that it works surprisingly well for quick jams when loading only one VSTi.

First, I installed ASIO4ALL to be able to output low latency audio. Then, I downloaded the last 32-bit version of the SWAM Flutes and could install them without a hitch.

For the VST host, I didn't install Cantabile yet, but I had a copy of Hermann Seib's SAVIHost floating around (32-bit, VST2, with the embedded keyboard). It's a really bare-bones host with very few functions, but it does its job. So I copied savihost.exe to the same folder as the Alto Flute VSTi, renamed it SWAM Alto Flute 32bit.exe (the same name as the .dll) so that it would automatically open the VSTi at launch, and made a shortcut on my desktop. This way, I can just double-tap on the shortcut, and ten seconds later I can start jamming on the Sylphyo.

At first, I had some issues with some license dialogs on the SWAM interface that didn't manage touch input at all, so I used TouchMousePointer, an on-screen touchpad which is quite helpful when dealing with desktop and legacy software.
It was also helpful for precise pointing, so I could configure the virtual instrument with our recommended parameters without any problem. AFAIK SAVIHost doesn't allow to finely adjust MIDI input like you did, but a future Sylphyo update will allow to customize the ranges of CCs directly from the Sylphyo.

My tablet has only two ports : one micro-USB for charging and external devices, and one 3.5mm jack for audio output. Just enough for a battery-powered Sylphyo jam. So I connected the Sylphyo receiver device on the USB port using a micro USB OTG adapter.

In SAVIHost I went to the Devices > MIDI… menu, and selected Panda-Audio midiBeam as Input Port 1. Then, I went to Devices > Audio…, and I selected No Wave as Input Port, and ASIO: ASIO4ALL v2 as Output Port. After an intense parameter tweaking session, I settled on 44100 as the Sample Rate, and on 64 samples as the Buffer size.

To make it work without glitches, I also had to go to the ASIO4ALL control panel (in SAVIHost, there's a Devices > Asio Control Panel… menu), and change some parameters in Advanced options (the wrench icon):

set the ASIO Buffer Size to 64 samples in the WDM Device List, select Intel SST Audio Wave for IHF, enable Out: 2x 48KHz, 16Bits and disable In: 2x 48KHz, 16 Bits in the Latency compensation section, set both In and Out to 0 samples and in the Options section, enable Allow Pull Mode, Always Resample, and Force WDM Driver to 16 Bit, and set Buffer Offset to 20 ms

With these settings, I could play without perceivable latency (there's slightly less when the output jack is used compared to the internal speakers).
SAVIHost shows my CPU is around 23% at rest, and around 75% when playing. I sometimes encounter brief buffer underruns (there are small audio glitches), but they should be entirely gone with a ≥128-sample buffer.

Having all the power of Samplemodeling instruments in such a small package is quite exciting! Here is a picture of my cheap mobile setup, and here is how it sounds. Again, for serious live performance I'd rather buy a powerful and reliable tablet like you did, but it's nice to know that even cheap tablets can run a Samplemodeling instrument.
The only issue I found with this setup is that there are much more glitches when the display is put to sleep, so I may have to create a custom "Sylphyo" power profile so that it never sleeps.

As for synth VSTs running on Windows, I rarely reach out for synths outside Live or other DAWs, so I couldn't say.

Thanks for your feedback. Didn't know Cantabile, but it looks really good for MIDI handling and live performance.

Vous faites un très bon choix ! ;)

Concernant la carte de synthèse, plusieurs solutions seront proposées :
Soit la carte pourra être intégrée en interne au Sylphyo, soit elle pourra être utilisée dans un boitier externe.
Nous mettrons tout en œuvre pour que les personnes déjà équipés d'un Sylphyo puissent en bénéficier facilement.
Et nous n'avons pas encore les tarifs définitifs des différentes options.

Thanks, glad that you like your Sylphyo! We're planning to give several choices for octave keys in a future update, and we'll definitely consider the possibility of "reversing" the direction of octave keys. If it doesn't make sense for other fingerings we'll consider making an alternative EVI fingering with this. We'll try to keep you updated on this one right here.

Thanks to you,
I will send you the information you require me by the contact mail support.

The metallic ring and the mouthpiece are designed to be easily removed and replaced. You can indeed remove the mouthpiece just by pulling it out (rotating it a bit like a screw first can help).

Hi there,

the Sylphyo works well with my main vst-synths like Massive, Sylenth, Dune 2 and Access Virus Ti.
Tons of fun as I am not really a keyborder but having a more flute/bagpipe/trumpet background.

Regards
Christian

Plus qu'à nous montrer ce que ça donne ...

Ah oui !!!
Je suis prêt à tester "avec déclenchements intempestifs" quand vous voulez !
Ça peut être exploitable avec un peu de traitement à la réception.

Décidément, j'ai bien fait de choisir le Sylphyo ;-)

Merci !
Je crois que dans un premier temps ce sera en utilisant les zones extrêmes du slider, même si c'est un peu risqué.

Juste un petit mot pour dire que l'envoi, la correction du problème et le retour ont été très rapide, donc un grand merci à l'équipe en cette période de fêtes.

Le Sylphyo fonctionne très bien, et maintenant je vais pouvoir vous embêter avec plein de questions et de requêtes ;-)

Merci pour vos réponses et votre réactivité : je crois que je vais craquer !

@luzverde Either one is OK, and performance will be exactly the same.

Thank you very much for the answer, I was investigating before your answer to do in other way but I think the way is explained on the tutorial that you recommended me is a better and precise way to do it.

Pour se rapprocher du sax, c'est moins évident. Surtout pour un saxophoniste. D'expérience les saxophonistes n'aiment pas jouer des sons de sax virtuels. Ils préfèrent leur instrument (et c'est bien normal). Par contre, ils affectionnent particulièrement les sons de flute, de cuivre, de clarinette ... et de synthés plus ou moins electro. Au mieux on obtiendra une évocation du sax. Les meilleurs sons de type acoustiques que nous ayons croisés sont plutôt à chercher du côté de samplemodeling: http://www.samplemodeling.com/fr/ mais ils n'existent pas pour iPad pour le moment, a priori l'architecture des iPad était encore un peu trop limitée pour accueillir de tels applications plutôt gourmande en puissance de calcul.

@join Many of the presets are very interesting, but the strength of this application is the degree of manipulation you can achieve to the sounds and how you can programme breath and modulation control to so many different parameters.

No, it doesn't look like to can change channel or programme change messages.

Bob