@rick-novy Yes ... a bit elaborate. After several decades working with wood, cane, and bamboo flutes and the occasionally severe reactions they have to breath moisture, I have a heightened sensitivity to moisture issues.

My Sylphyo has had some "quirky issues" on the first startup of the day. A typical symptom is not responding to some finger pads for the first 30 seconds. Another is erratic response to breath pressure for a short while. The symptoms go away after 30 seconds, so I was "not a big deal", but still concerning.

I am self-diagnosing here, but it did seem to me that the problems happened the day after playing a long time (like 3 hours). They did not seem to happen the day after playing for 1 hour. The finger pads on the front side did seem to have issues (only for the first 30 seconds) if I stored the Syphyo overnight in an upside down position (i.e. front finger pads down). If I stored it front-side-up, even after playing a long time, the finger pads were not affected.

Maybe it is because of my heightened sensitivity, but I started to think that humidity was a contributing culprit. Does a bit of moisture creep out of the bore? Might it "settle" settle on the lower portions of inside of the instrument?

I hesitate to place anything that blocks moisture evaporation into the bore overnight. I have been drying with a silk cloth (oboe cleaner) and leaving it open so it continues to dry.

I have only used the fan for 3 days now, but I have had none of the "quirky issues" since. Time will tell ...

Hi Rick,

In order to make as realistic a sound as possible, we've had to sacrifice a bit of expressivity in Flute Phi. This means that certain playing techniques such as staccato are restricted on that sound because of the difficulty of adapting the algorithms. We prioritised the realism over the expressivity.
In order to get a sound that will work better for these playing techniques, you can try out sound number 8 Chalumeau or maybe number 2 Daphnis Flute? Let me know how you get on with those!
We will of course do our best to improve this in the future and will let you know how this progresses.

Best,

Very cool! The Integra-7 uses Roland's SuperNatural engine which has some very nice sounds. Please show us a video of how you use it with your Sylphyo!

@rick-novy Yes sorry about that! I've changed it.

@support_aodyo Excellent insight and info ... Thanks!!

@support_aodyo merci Maxence ! Je vais donc patienter.

@clint Thanks for all the technical details. For your concerns, I don't think you need to be worried unless you are being particularly harsh with your headphones and the Sylphyo! People have been using the Sylphyo for almost 6 years and we have had very very few complaints about the 1/8" connector or the USB port.

@clint yes! thanks for the tip, I will take a look to this soft, I was searching something for Linux (my main/audio system), and I didn't found, I will try to bridge this program.

The avantege to have something buld in is using hardware synth or raspberry that now is a chose for a lot of musiciens in live situation (better than have a "real" computer conected).

@friedus We hope you like it!

@samii Super

@steviek Hello! You need to change the buffer size in Logic Pro and Mainstage. Set it as low as possible so that you don't get any CPU overload and reduce the latency.
If you have a powerful computer you can get away with settings like 64 or even 32. If you also reduce the sampling rate (down to something like 44.1khz) that should also help with latency as you will then be able to reduce the buffer size.

I hope this helps!

@steviek The latest update always contains all the other updates too!

@clint so far the durable SLA seems to work well, it's quite rigid and is holding up to daily practice. The 2.3mm was a bit too narrow for the sensor, it produced some held note behavior from the back-pressure with certain articulations. I think the next size up is going to be my keeper. Thank you again!

@support_aodyo The Factor Reset worked!! I can now store settings and they persist through a power cycle.

Thankfully, I wrote down the myriad settings I have adjusted ...

Thank you SO MUCH for your help!!

Cool idea for using tilt! At the moment it would be a bit difficult for us to implement but we can keep it in mind for the future.

Thanks Maxence ... yes, I've got that ... but the "3" in "C3" could mean (as I've found out recently) many different things depending on the octave numbering you use. The Sylphyo (from my examining the MIDI stream it puts out) puts out MIDI hex 3C = decimal 60 for "C3" which is Middle C. That's the same standard that Kontakt, Apple Logic, Cubase, Steinberg, and Yamaha keyboards use.

However, the ISO standard that is used by Korg, Roland, and most of the piano tuning and composing world (and also the Native flute world) use "C4" for Middle C. That's why I was always off by an octave before I understood these issues.

Cakewalk Sonar actually uses C5 for Middle C, which is really confusing!

I just posted a "Cradle" on Thingiverse: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4801206 ... be sure to add felt pads (or some other protection) on the contact points with the Sylphyo:

SylphyoCradle_Blue_master.jpg

SylphyoCradle_Duo_1200c10.jpg

SylphyoCradle_Solo_1200c10.jpg

@jcfitn Merci, très utile ! Je regarde ça :-)

@join
Well, I’ve tried the new firmware, and indeed it is a huge improvment. Any way I slide my thumb the octaves snap cleanly into place. Great job!

That being said, I still occassionally get the stuck notes in an actual playing situation. This means my thumb must must be coming off the pads. Clearly I need more practice. I’m used to having mechanical switches, which are very forgiving.

Still, I don’t see why your code allows a discrepancy between fingering and note output (except momentarily, of course). My code always checks and waits multiples of the reaction time until there is agreement.

Ian

@ijfritz I'm happy it was usefull!

V2 was B Stock %)

A discovery I made about 40 years ago is that it works really, really well to use a longer reaction time for any interval that involves a register key. It doesn’t seem to hinder performance significantly — presumably, as woodwind players we learn to anticipate the extra delay.

Ian

Thank you Clint, I'm brand new with electronic wind controller. Right now I use Logic Pro and I'll check your suggestion as soon as possible.

Thanks for the answer.

Perfect, I will try that.
Thanks to CSP and Aodyo Support

@Support_AODYO
Extrait du mode d’emploi du Sylphyo : « Plus tard, vous pourrez également acheter un bec actif avec des capteurs qui vous donneront encore plus de contrôle sur le son »

Même s’il n’est pas en développement actuellement, comptez-vous travailler et sortir un jour ce bec actif ?

I've just posted an updated version - v1.008 - of the Sylphyo font package. It has some of the updates discussed above. Feedback welcome!

https://www.Flutopedia.com/sylphyo_fonts.htm

@Support_AODYO well actually I have tried several times with v.1.4.8 beta, also with 1.4.7 and earlier versions, still nothing...

@palsyl No news yet, but we are still working on it and will be sure to send out an update as soon as we can say everything with certainty!

Hi Clint

looks like s design fault on the motherboard, or a faulty component. A simple solution would be a powered USB hub.

I have the link with two other USB machine in a case. Hub inside the case, one cable to the computer.

And the link is also powered without a computer

Regards

Frank

I think your fingering chart has some really good ideas in it.
Especially Rule 6: Raising the L1 for higher octaves would faciliate the work of the left thumb on the octave keys greatly (lifting/shifting). This should also work for the whistle fingering, or?

Note on #3 above ... it should really read:

Tape. I remove the tape I use to partially cover the "Bell port" - the small exit hole at the bottom of the Sylphyo. This tape increases back pressure and reduces the amount of air needed for playing.

Hi Bernard, the XpressO and the Roland as inprinciple the same age: they both use samples. The Vl70 uses mathematical models of the instruments, wwhich means they react the same as the akoustic instrument. Like on the real instrument, when you blow to hard is overblows, generates the same overtones, so sounds more realistic. The learning phase is also a bit more than compared to a sample instrument..

Though rather old, people still come to check wat synth i used for some sounds..

Kind regards

Frank

ok thanks... I'll try this way and I'll let you know

Good points about kinesiology and especially the idea that "generic solutions only go so far" when customizing an instrument to a person's particular abilities.

I would be very interested in any ideas for transpositionally invariant fingerings. I started exploring this because of similar work done with the EWI (especially by Bret Pimentel and Curt Sipe).

I also have code I am happy to share (Mathematica / Wolfram Language notebooks).

@join said in Support for high-resolution MIDI?:

Have you found a good solution for this?

Yes! For my current use - Sylphyo => Link/MIDI => Cantabile => Kontakt 6 - the facilities for drawing response curves has been the complete solution for handling this issue. This was suggested and discussed in detail in this thread on the Native Instruments forum:

https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/high-resolution-breath-controller.442309/

... and I have found that the flexible envelopes (drawn, rather than the table option) are a straightforward and complete solution. I have recently been using envelopes for other purposes - controlling parameters on modular synths using elevation and roll (have not tried compass yet) and that is a fantastic alternative to expression pedals.

For other scenarios that do not have the flexibility provided by Kontakt, I am not sure the solution. MIDI filters do not seem to be the answer, since they are translating MIDI to MIDI, not extending the bit depth of the MIDI stream itself.

There might also be an issues for sound libraries that are encrypted (locked) by the vendor, rendering the curve inaccessible - but I'm not sure about that.

... and Thank You @join for the amazing amount of detailed information!

I've also had my share of "what's that thing" and improvised 30-second demos for airport security officers :), but I never had any issue, be it with our without a case. As it contains a battery, you need to take it in cabin.
I also fly with some of our weirdest electronics prototypes without their enclosure and with wires everywhere, but it hasn't raised any concern so far.

@Clint Here is the zip file uploaded to this forum directly for all interested.

SylphyoReaperTrackIcons_ClintGoss_v1.00.zip

Thanks Clint!

only limitation to this feature is that the Sylphyo display won't reflect patch changes done from the Link as there is currently not status feedback through the wireless transmission.

You are not doing anything wrong.
The up/down buttons are only providing this next/previous feature when NOT paired with the Sylphyo. When you are using the Sylphyo this is achieved by the Sylphyo keys instead.

@Rick-Novy I fixed the URL :)

@Clint There are no plans as of now to make the Link into an audio interface. If we start doing this we will let you know!

You could definitely use the midi inputs of your RME interface to plug in the Link.

For a USB hub, we have had mixed results. They don't work for updating either the Link or the Sylphyo, but some of them (especially the powered ones) work well for Midi.

Let me know if you have more questions.

Maxence
Aodyo Instruments
Aodyo.com

Hi Clint,

The line in connector is unbalanced TRS (used to get a stereo signal).
The line out connectors are both unbalanced TS.

I hope this helps.

Maxence
Aodyo Instruments
Aodyo.com

@Rick-Novy Thanks for the update for this. Good to hear updating fixed your issue. Let me know if you have any more questions :)

I use a clarinet pad guard (Rico Pad Guard) to dry off whatever it will reach and I store my sylphyo with the pad guard inside to absorb moisture. Link to US Amazon page for this product is below.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EQTY74/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1